[Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Sun Sep 7 02:11:44 IST 2008 

Aarti,
Only those who dont have a control over their mind can not stop laughing. It
is better you stop debating about Kashmir .

Do you know the difference between "NavidYaar and ParvarDigaar" ? And if you
dont...... it is better you send some tissue papers to Noorani...he can use
them either way and leave the left over to ignorants like you and Shuddha.

Don't teach me what Kashmir and the Muslims in Kashmir are. Dont teach me
the secularism. I have seen my temples being destroyed.

Dont teach me all the shit you read from fools like Gautam Navlakha and Aran
Dhat Teri Ki Rai. I know how I had to jump out of my 2nd Floor to escape the
terrorists.

I know who burnt my house and today they claim to be secularist , only to be
backed by ignorance and fools with half baked knowledge which is
destructive.


Pawan






On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Pawan,
>
> I cannot stop laughing...why so glum chum? why so serious? should we put a
> smile on your face?....oh dear dear me!...since I'm such a nobody, i simply
> can't understand what riles you so much?...tell you what Pawan, why don't
> you compile a list of people whom you think are authorized to speak on
> Kashmir and circulate it....you can list criteria, level of commitment,
> idealogical, political, sexual affiliation, food and beverage
> preferences...and since you are so knowledgable, how come the only people
> who pay you any attention on this list is your little echo-chamber of three?
>
> my intellectualism is not "sawed on a machine' as you so charmingly put it.
> I only asked what this had to do with brussels because in the inimitable
> style you have made your own in which non sequiters are supposed to stand in
> for arguments, his association with kashmiraffairs was supposed to indicate
> that what he says he nonsense. This is exactly the same tack you adopted
> with Noorani's article. Since you have nothing to say about his analysis,
> you chose instead to call him a pan-islamist supporter, as if this by
> itself, counteracts the substance of his piece.
>
> So be quiet Pawan. And don't be so quick to tell people what they can and
> cannot speak about. Instead, pay more attention to what you say, and maybe
> you will not spout the reams of rubbish we have all become so used to
> deleting without a second's glance.
>
> best as always
> Aarti
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Aarti,
>> Since you r NOBODY in Kashmir issue, you re irrelevant when it comes to
>> discussing the issues and the personalities involved.
>>
>> And I wonder why Inder Ji does not respect himself by suffixing Balasaheb
>> or Advani Ji with Sahib.
>>
>> I know Murtaza and Yasin Malik better than they know themselves and to
>> know why I know so much about these liars  ...you better know me.
>>
>> Pawan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Pawan,
>>>
>>> How is working with a brussel's based organisation a statement about
>>> someone's credibility? Is a job being a "paid agent'? Then we are all "paid
>>> agents" of someone or the other. The kashmir affairs website says quite
>>> clearly that it is a non-funded organisation. If you know something the rest
>>> of us don't, then maybe you should share it with the list. Otherwise your
>>> attack on Murtaza makes no sense whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aarti
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Dear Rashneek
>>>> >
>>>> > some times back Mr. Kshmendra said something similar to me,
>>>> >
>>>> > " you deserve to be ignored "
>>>> >
>>>> >  and now it is you who said it to Shuddha.
>>>> >
>>>> > I beleive, anybody who had developed a dislike for a particular person
>>>> > may simply prese the botton ' delete'
>>>> >
>>>> > it is too easy.
>>>> >  because to express the anger on the list is worst than even 2+2=5.
>>>> >
>>>> > now, coming back to the basic question of 'Land and Freedom in
>>>> > Kashmir' as seen in the present and beyond:
>>>> >
>>>> > We all know what is the the stand of an Nationlaist Indian. There is
>>>> > nothing new, What you are saying is no differnt from Man Mohan Singh
>>>> > ji, our PM.
>>>> >
>>>> > But if the religion of  all Kashmiris is ' AZADI  then how to convert
>>>> > them all into other religion which is Indian Nationalism in this case.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think it is very simple. Army and police and other  reasoning has
>>>> > not helped us.
>>>> >  I too would like to see a change of heart in kashmir. but, after 1990
>>>> > that possiblity looks now remote. Whatever the reasons...
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes,  Kashmiri pandits have a legal claim in the valley, but that can
>>>> > be the part of a real discussion, as and when it happens between the
>>>> > representatives of all the inhabitants of the disputed territory.
>>>> >
>>>> > Now disturbes my personally, is that the fact that the Hindu Right
>>>> > wing has politically appropriated the whole intellectual worth of
>>>> > Kashmiri pandits. which is not different from Jamat-i-Islami's effort
>>>> > to represent the whole of AZADI in kashmir. Kashmiri pandits need to
>>>> > write about it boldly. And if there is none, they one Advani-cum-Modi
>>>> > is enough to represent them. That will be unfortunate.
>>>> >
>>>> > We all know how people in kahsmir are handling this issue. Everything
>>>> > is hazy, but  we have recently witnessed how Geelani sahib had to
>>>> > retract from his claim of total representation. So similarly you too
>>>> > need to think that every kashmniri pandit is not necessarly a
>>>> > VHP/BJP/BajrangDal/ShivSanik lover. Let us respect the possiblity.
>>>> >
>>>> > then that  will amount to 2+2=4
>>>> >
>>>> > with love
>>>> > is
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Just press the delete button, anything that you consider
>>>> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>>>> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > > Dear Aarti,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You are so right. We just can't ignore Shuddha's posts on this
>>>> forum. He
>>>> > > needs to be corrected from time to time, hence, we just can't remain
>>>> > silent.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Be careful Aarti.Disinformation spread can be dangerous.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Warm Regards,
>>>> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Really? Is that so? In which case every post shuddha writes, rife
>>>> with
>>>> > >> inaccuracies and and ignorance, should immediately get a response
>>>> from
>>>> > you
>>>> > >> setting the record straight. Instead, what we witness is a
>>>> deafening
>>>> > >> silence. Be careful and intelligent about whom you choose as your
>>>> > >> adversaries Rashneek. And I think you are well aware of whose posts
>>>> are
>>>> > >> generally ignored on this list and it certainly isn't Shuddha.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> regards
>>>> > >> Aarti
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>> All that notwithstanding, Shuddha's knowledge and understanding of
>>>> > either
>>>> > >>> history or politics is of Kashmir is so poor or so full of
>>>> inaccuries
>>>> > >>> (intentional as well ignorant) that it is time we start ignoring
>>>> his
>>>> > posts
>>>> > >>> on Kashmir.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Regards
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Rashneek
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>>>> > kauladityaraj at gmail.com
>>>> > >>> >wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > And, In a recent lecture in Jamia University, he was no
>>>> different.
>>>> > >>> > Advocating pan-Islamist movement in Kashmir.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > On 9/3/08, Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > It is not surprising.AG Noorani is a known sympathiser of the
>>>> > Kashmiri
>>>> > >>> > pan
>>>> > >>> > > Islamists & their cause.  He ran a campaign series in support
>>>> of
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > separatists in HT for years .The very fact that Noorani has
>>>> chosen
>>>> > to
>>>> > >>> > call
>>>> > >>> > > Jammuites as 'communal forces' & 'parivar' & the accord itself
>>>> as
>>>> > >>> > > 'gunah-e-bey lazzat' & describe those who attempt to seek
>>>> "azadi
>>>> > -bara
>>>> > >>> -e
>>>> > >>> > > -Islam" as 'victims' says it all.
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > Noorani once went overboard in " don't be fence-sitters " (HT
>>>> New
>>>> > >>> > Delhi/May
>>>> > >>> > > 8, 2007)  in  his appreciation of Sayad Sallahudin of HM & the
>>>> > >>> al-Qeada
>>>> > >>> > > affiliate LeT. In a  bizarre coincidence , the day LeT chief
>>>> > allegedly
>>>> > >>> > > assured some Gen. Patankar of his willingness to come to India
>>>> for
>>>> > >>> talks
>>>> > >>> > > (...????....) as claimed by Noorani in the article , that very
>>>> day
>>>> > >>> Hafeez
>>>> > >>> > > Sayad confessed to the reporters in Islamabad about the
>>>> existence
>>>> > of
>>>> > >>> > > terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan & declared his resolve to
>>>> > carry
>>>> > >>> on
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > 'jihad' to its logical conclusion (Ref. TNN/ Times of India,
>>>> > DEL/May8'
>>>> > >>> > 07/
>>>> > >>> > > page no.13).
>>>> > >>> > > LA
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:55:11 -0700> From:
>>>> > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > To:
>>>> > >>> > > shuddha at sarai.net> CC: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re:
>>>> > >>> [Reader-list]
>>>> > >>> > > Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord> >  >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>>
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >  >  >
>>>> > >>> > > > > --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
>>>> shuddha at sarai.net>
>>>> > >>> > wrote:>
>>>> > >>> > > > From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>> Subject:
>>>> Re:
>>>> > >>> > > [Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath
>>>> Accord>
>>>> > To:
>>>> > >>> > > "Shuddhabrata Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>> Cc: "Sarai list"
>>>> <
>>>> > >>> > > reader-list at sarai.net>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008,
>>>> 4:07
>>>> > PM>
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > > Dear all,> > The link to the Noorani article in the Greater
>>>> Kashmir
>>>> > >>> > > Newspaper in > my earlier post got inadvertently truncated.
>>>> Here is
>>>> > >>> the
>>>> > >>> > > correct link.> > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> > Thanks, Tilak Upadhyay for
>>>> > pointing
>>>> > >>> this
>>>> > >>> > > out.> > best,> > Shuddha> > On 03-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM,
>>>> Shuddhabrata
>>>> > >>> > Sengupta
>>>> > >>> > > wrote: Dear all> > > Dear All,> >> > An unusual intensity of
>>>> hunger
>>>> > >>> for
>>>> > >>> > land
>>>> > >>> > > unites corporations, state> > agencies and shrine boards in
>>>> India.
>>>> > >>> > Captains
>>>> > >>> > > of Industry,> > politicians and land hungry divines seem to be
>>>> more
>>>> > >>> > > interested in> > acrage than in anything else. The Mahabharata
>>>> > >>> mentions
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > burning of> > the Khandava forest to appease a hungry god,
>>>> > >>> inaugurating a
>>>> > >>> > > long> > history of burnt and erased forests and commons. It
>>>> appears
>>>> > as
>>>> > >>> it
>>>> > >>> > > we> > are surrounded now by 'hungry gods'. The Khandava-daha
>>>> > >>> continues.>
>>>> > >>> > >>
>>>> > >>> > > > Be it Chengara (thanks, Anivar Aravind for keeping us
>>>> updated
>>>> > about>
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > land struggle in Kerala, where the ruling CPI(M) led Left
>>>> Front> >
>>>> > is
>>>> > >>> > intent
>>>> > >>> > > on displacing indigenous communities from their land), or> >
>>>> Singur
>>>> > >>> > (where
>>>> > >>> > > again, the ruling CPI(M) wants to gift land 'free'> to a> >
>>>> > gigantic
>>>> > >>> > > corporation or Amarnath, - the issues - remain the same -> >
>>>> to do
>>>> > >>> with
>>>> > >>> > > state mediated acquisition of land, and the sequestering> > of
>>>> > either
>>>> > >>> > > cultivator's land, or a natural commons into some form of> >
>>>> > 'gated'
>>>> > >>> and
>>>> > >>> > > 'fenced' land.> >> > There has been some premature media spin
>>>> > around
>>>> > >>> the
>>>> > >>> > > 'accord' that> has> > been reached with the Shree Amarnath
>>>> Yatra
>>>> > >>> > Sangharsh
>>>> > >>> > > Samiti based in> > Jammu. On the face of it, the accord
>>>> appears to
>>>> > >>> grant
>>>> > >>> > a
>>>> > >>> > > limited usage> > right to the Shree Amarnath Shrine Board. On
>>>> > closer
>>>> > >>> > reading
>>>> > >>> > > of the> > text however, it becomes evident that the terms of
>>>> this
>>>> > >>> > 'accord'>
>>>> > >>> > > are> > actually even more invasive than was the case with the
>>>> > >>> substance
>>>> > >>> > of>
>>>> > >>> > > > the original gubernatorial 'land transfer' order in May.> >>
>>>> > I
>>>> > am
>>>> > >>> > > enclosing below - an article by A. G. Noorani, a well known> >
>>>> > legal
>>>> > >>> > > historian and practitioner of constitutional law, titled> >
>>>> 'An
>>>> > >>> Immoral
>>>> > >>> > and
>>>> > >>> > > Illegal Accord' which was published in the Greater> > Kashmir
>>>> > >>> newspaper
>>>> > >>> > > today. It is available on line at -> >
>>>> > >>> > > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?> >
>>>> > >>> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> >> > Noorani carefully reads
>>>> the
>>>> > terms
>>>> > >>> of
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > Amarnath Accord in this> > article. As I had pointed out
>>>> before on
>>>> > >>> this
>>>> > >>> > list
>>>> > >>> > > (in my second post> > (dated 15th August, 2008) in the thread
>>>> -
>>>> > 'Gun
>>>> > >>> > Salutes
>>>> > >>> > > for August> > 15' in response to Sonia Jabbar and Aditya Raj
>>>> Kaul -
>>>> > >>> the
>>>> > >>> > > anger in> > Kashmir has a lot to do with the arbitrary
>>>> acquisition
>>>> > of
>>>> > >>> > land -
>>>> > >>> > > I> > had shown, using state government figures, how the
>>>> equivalent
>>>> > of
>>>> > >>> > one> >
>>>> > >>> > > in ten fruit orchards can be said to be under the occupation
>>>> of
>>>> > the> >
>>>> > >>> > Armed
>>>> > >>> > > Forces. The 'Amarnath Land Transfer' issue needs to be seen>
>>>> in> >
>>>> > >>> this
>>>> > >>> > > context.> >> > As long as that anger (regarding the alienation
>>>> of
>>>> > >>> land)
>>>> > >>> > is
>>>> > >>> > > not> > addressed, the people of Kashmir will have no reason,
>>>> in my>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > estimation, to think of themselves as anything but under a
>>>> brutal
>>>> > and>
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > > unrelenting occupation. The current 'Amarnath Accord' in my
>>>> view,>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>> > worsens
>>>> > >>> > > the situation, and can alienate the people of Kashmir (for> >
>>>> the
>>>> > >>> reasons
>>>> > >>> > > that Noorani underlines below) even more. As such, it can> >
>>>> only
>>>> > be
>>>> > >>> > viewed
>>>> > >>> > > as yet another provocation, yet another disaster, in> > the
>>>> long
>>>> > and
>>>> > >>> > > undistinguished record of the Government of India's> > tragic
>>>> > >>> blundering
>>>> > >>> > on
>>>> > >>> > > Kashmir. It cannot but prove to be divisive in a> > situation
>>>> that
>>>> > >>> > urgently
>>>> > >>> > > requires the opposite.> >> > regards> >> > Shuddha> >> >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > ======================================================================
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > ==> > =======================> >> > An Immoral and Illegal
>>>> Accord>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>> > Greater
>>>> > >>> > > Kashmir, September 03, 2008> > A G NOORANI> >> > Srinagar, Sep
>>>> 2:
>>>> > The
>>>> > >>> > accord
>>>> > >>> > > between the Jammu and Kashmir government> > and the Shri
>>>> Amarnath
>>>> > >>> Yatra
>>>> > >>> > > Sangharsh Samiti on 31 August is far> > worse than the
>>>> government's
>>>> > >>> order
>>>> > >>> > > only three months earlier on 26> > May. It grants the SAYSS
>>>> > >>> concessions
>>>> > >>> > > beyond what the May order did.> > It is one-sided and marks an
>>>> > abject
>>>> > >>> > > surrender to violence, blockade> > and to communal forces. The
>>>> > >>> > differences
>>>> > >>> > > between the order and accord> > are glaring. Here is a list:>
>>>> >> >
>>>> > 1.
>>>> > >>> The
>>>> > >>> > > order was made pursuant to a decision on 20 May by the
>>>> cabinet> >
>>>> > in
>>>> > >>> > which
>>>> > >>> > > both Jammu and Kashmir were represented. The accord> >
>>>> completely
>>>> > >>> ignores
>>>> > >>> > > Kashmir where the land is to be given. Jammu alone> > was
>>>> > represented.
>>>> > >>> A
>>>> > >>> > > week earlier, there was a clampdown in the Valley> > and top
>>>> > leaders
>>>> > >>> were
>>>> > >>> > > arrested.> >> > 2. Even the controversial order nowhere used
>>>> the
>>>> > word
>>>> > >>> > > "exclusive".> > The SAYSS felt so emboldened as to demand it
>>>> and
>>>> > >>> threaten
>>>> > >>> > to
>>>> > >>> > > wreck> > the deal if it was not conceded. The government
>>>> yielded in
>>>> > >>> the
>>>> > >>> > > early> > hours of 31 August. Para 6A says that the Government
>>>> > "shall
>>>> > >>> set
>>>> > >>> > > aside> > for use by Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board exclusively
>>>> the
>>>> > land
>>>> > >>> in>
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > Baltal and Domail". This order unknown anywhere in the world
>>>> is> >
>>>> > >>> > cloaked
>>>> > >>> > > under a lie by calling it "traditionally under use for the> >
>>>> > annual
>>>> > >>> > yatra
>>>> > >>> > > purpose". The traditional route for over a century is> > the
>>>> > Pahalgam
>>>> > >>> > route.
>>>> > >>> > > The Baltal route is a recent demand. It was> > regarded by the
>>>> Army
>>>> > >>> and
>>>> > >>> > > Nitish Sengupta Report as dangerous. It is> > also unnecessary
>>>> if
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > limit
>>>> > >>> > > of yatris set by the Report (1 lakh) is> > observed.> >> > 3.
>>>> This
>>>> > >>> > violates
>>>> > >>> > > the citizen's fundamental right under Art. 19 (1) D> > to move
>>>> > freely
>>>> > >>> > > throughout India. The demand of exclusivity was not> > made
>>>> even in
>>>> > >>> May
>>>> > >>> > 2008
>>>> > >>> > > or in decades earlier. It is pure communal> > aggression using
>>>> the
>>>> > >>> yatra
>>>> > >>> > for
>>>> > >>> > > political demonstration not religious> > piety.> >> > 4. The
>>>> > duration
>>>> > >>> of
>>>> > >>> > use
>>>> > >>> > > is widened to cover pre and post yatra period.> > Para 6 C
>>>> first
>>>> > says
>>>> > >>> > that
>>>> > >>> > > the land will be used "for the duration of> > the yatra"
>>>> including
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > period of preparations and winding up. But> > the very next
>>>> para
>>>> > has
>>>> > >>> > these
>>>> > >>> > > sinister words: "The aforesaid land> > shall be used according
>>>> to
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > Board's requirements from time to> > time, including for the
>>>> > >>> following".
>>>> > >>> > > There follow 9 measures including> > construction, setting up
>>>> of
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > sheds
>>>> > >>> > > and shops etc. These can be> > done even beyond the yatra
>>>> period
>>>> > "from
>>>> > >>> > time
>>>> > >>> > > to time" and "according> > to the Board's requirements"; may
>>>> be all
>>>> > >>> the
>>>> > >>> > year
>>>> > >>> > > around.> >> > 5. Para 8 of the order insisted that the land
>>>> "shall
>>>> > >>> > return"
>>>> > >>> > > to the> > State. This is dropped in the accord. This
>>>> accomplishes
>>>> > S.K.
>>>> > >>> > > Sinha's> > objective— permanent use the year round.> >> > 6.
>>>> Also
>>>> > >>> dropped
>>>> > >>> > > totally is Para 4 on payment for user.> >> > 7. Dropped too is
>>>> Para
>>>> > 6.
>>>> > >>> An
>>>> > >>> > > undertaking of "foolproof measures> > against water pollution
>>>> and
>>>> > Para
>>>> > >>> 7
>>>> > >>> > on
>>>> > >>> > > payment of fine for damage to> > the forest. There is a pious
>>>> > >>> provision
>>>> > >>> > in
>>>> > >>> > > accord Para 6 C (ix) among> > the objectives of land user;
>>>> namely
>>>> > >>> > > "undertaking measures relating to> > … preservation of
>>>> ecology"
>>>> > etc.
>>>> > >>> > Breach
>>>> > >>> > > entails no fine.> >> > 8. The order of 26 May was rescinded on
>>>> 1
>>>> > July.
>>>> > >>> > The
>>>> > >>> > > accord will> > require a fresh order to implement it. By
>>>> itself the
>>>> > >>> > accord
>>>> > >>> > > has no> > legal force. Section 2(a) of the J&K Forest
>>>> > (Conservation)
>>>> > >>> Act
>>>> > >>> > > 1997> > says "the Government shall not, except on a resolution
>>>> of
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > Council> > of Ministers based on the advice of the Advisory
>>>> > >>> Committee"> >
>>>> > >>> > > constituted under the Act "make any order directing that any
>>>> > forest> >
>>>> > >>> > land
>>>> > >>> > > or any portion thereof may be used for any non-forest
>>>> purpose".> >
>>>> > The
>>>> > >>> > > earlier phrase "Council of ministers" merely was revised by
>>>> an> >
>>>> > >>> > amendment
>>>> > >>> > > in 2001 and the Forest Advisory Committee's advice was> >
>>>> added and
>>>> > >>> made
>>>> > >>> > > mandatory. "Council of Ministers" is specific. It is> >
>>>> different
>>>> > from
>>>> > >>> > "J&K
>>>> > >>> > > Government" whose powers vest now in the> governor> > alone.
>>>> The
>>>> > law
>>>> > >>> > > intentionally provides the resolution as a safeguard.> > This
>>>> > Council
>>>> > >>> can
>>>> > >>> > > come into existence only after the next elections.> > In any
>>>> case
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > Forest
>>>> > >>> > > Advisory Committees advice on 12 July 2007> > cannot apply to
>>>> this
>>>> > new
>>>> > >>> > > accord which must be vetted afresh by that> > Committee. It
>>>> was
>>>> > given
>>>> > >>> > before
>>>> > >>> > > the Supreme Court's final judgment in> > the T M Godavarman
>>>> case on
>>>> > 23
>>>> > >>> > > November 2007 which lays down the law> > and makes important
>>>> > >>> observations
>>>> > >>> > on
>>>> > >>> > > balancing development with> > protection of environment.
>>>> Failure to
>>>> > >>> > consider
>>>> > >>> > > it vitiates the> > decision. Precisely based on
>>>> misrepresentation
>>>> > of
>>>> > >>> > opinion
>>>> > >>> > > of the> > deputy CM Muzaffar Hussain Beg and advocate general
>>>> Altaf
>>>> > >>> Naik
>>>> > >>> > > both> > of which were given in entirely difference cases.> >>
>>>> > The
>>>> > >>> > accord
>>>> > >>> > > lacks legal efficacy as well as moral and political> >
>>>> legitimacy.
>>>> > Any
>>>> > >>> > order
>>>> > >>> > > in its implementation will be void in law. It> > is a pity
>>>> that the
>>>> > >>> state
>>>> > >>> > > should bend all rules to buy peace with> > communal forces
>>>> > including
>>>> > >>> > promise
>>>> > >>> > > to consider compensation for law-> > breakers. What of
>>>> compensation
>>>> > to
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > > Valley for the blockade? The> > parivar in Jammu has already
>>>> begun
>>>> > >>> asking
>>>> > >>> > > for more. The Government> > has not bought peace but trouble.
>>>> It is
>>>> > >>> > > gunah-e-bey lazzat (sin> > without any taste.)> >> > If the
>>>> state
>>>> > can
>>>> > >>> > thus
>>>> > >>> > > bend its knees before the Sangh parivar on an> > issue like
>>>> this,
>>>> > what
>>>> > >>> > hopes
>>>> > >>> > > of justice can Kashmiris entertain when> > it comes to
>>>> restoring
>>>> > the
>>>> > >>> > raped
>>>> > >>> > > Article 370 to a status of worth and> > respect?> >> > END> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > ======================================================================
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > ==> > =======================> >> >> >> >
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