[Reader-list] Some Points from discussions

[Pawan Durani]

The only solution is "abolishing Article 370". It would help Kashmir &
Kashmiris integrate completely into India.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net> wrote:

> Kshemendra,
>
> I understand from your comments below that you think that any possible
> "post-national" solution to the question of Kashmir is hogwash, dreamy,
> silly, unthinkable-- in the same way that the idea of a nation-state
> with a democratic polity was completely unthinkable a few hundred years
> ago?  After all, it is not the specifics of one plan or another that you
> are objecting to, it is the very idea itself, correct?
>
> Fine-- but my question is, what is your solution?  Do you think
> violently assertive forcible Indian military occupation, objected to by
> the majority of the Kashmiri population, with all kinds of ripple
> effects including (possibly) the steadily increasing militancy and
> radicalisation of the population, the increasing bitterness that reduces
> the chances of reconcilliation and peace day by day, and only
> increasingly so, should and can continue until kingdom come?  Or do you
> have any other ideas and possibilities in mind?
>
> I ask this as an earnest question, out of curiousity, not as a polemical
> point.
>
> Vivek
>
> Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
> > Dear Jeebesh
> >
> > You are overstepping yourself. We are still on Point 1 of  your "possible
> ways" arising from your "some friends were talking about different way of
> thinking about Kashmir."
> >
> > "Referendum" was not in the menu of "possible ways" you floated. Let us
> get back to your "Demilitarized Zone"
> >
> > You say that a "wide area" has to be De-militarized. That is a
> meaningless generality. Specify that "wide area" if you can. You will not be
> able to do it if you have not thought over the "possible ways" you have
> floated. Do some thinking first.
> >
> > You suggest a "popular suffrage" to mark the "border". Over what "area"
> do you propose that this "popular suffrage" will take place? In that "area"
> who will participate?
> >
> > Obviously the "suffrage" cannot take place specifically in any proposed
> "wide area" on "both sides of  the border" which you seek to De-militarize
> because the very purpose of the "suffrage" is to demarcate precisely that
> "wide area".
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
> > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 4:14 PM
> >
> > Another Floater :)
> >
> > For a serious referendum to happen a very wide area has to be
> > demilitarized on both side of the present border. There can be a
> > popular suffrage to mark the border and hopefully something better
> > than the present situation may emerge.
> >
> > But my floater was not so much about the real-politic of border
> > making. It was about thinking a side ways to get out of this
> > "bleeding" politics and use all the various available international
> > institutions and instruments to arrive at some new arrangements.
> >
> > warmly
> > Jeebesh
> >
> >
> > On 16-Sep-08, at 3:38 PM, Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Dear Jeebesh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The "Demilitarized Zone" is your proposal and not mine. You
> >>
> > should
> >
> >> be the one to specify its borders. Unless, as is more than likely
> >> and is apparent, you have done very little thinking over the idea
> >> you have floated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kshmendra
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
> >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:15 PM
> >>
> >> On 15-Sep-08, at 11:33 PM, Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> But I think a BD led UN peacekeeping force in Kashmir would not fly.
> >>>
> >> Why not? :) It will be South Asia in a complex entangle.
> >>
> >> And Kshmendra, borders are always a contested lines. You could suggest
> >> what it could be.
> >>
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