[Reader-list] Some Points from discussions

Tue Sep 16 19:11:00 IST 2008

The reason may be that people in that region do not want extra favors in the
name of religion.
Also Govt does give approval from time to time for people from outside to
buy land in HP.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Partha Dasgupta <
partha.dasgupta at eliteinfomachine.com> wrote:

> Dear Pawan,
> Won't claim to know how Article 370 is affecting J&K since I don't know.
>
> However, am aware that Article 370 is also affected for Himachal Pradesh
> and some other states where it is not causing an issue.
>
> Am not disagreeing with what you are saying. Merely trying to understand
> what you are trying to say.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ..........................
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The only solution is "abolishing Article 370". It would help Kashmir &
>> Kashmiris integrate completely into India.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Kshemendra,
>> >
>> > I understand from your comments below that you think that any possible
>> > "post-national" solution to the question of Kashmir is hogwash, dreamy,
>> > silly, unthinkable-- in the same way that the idea of a nation-state
>> > with a democratic polity was completely unthinkable a few hundred years
>> > ago?  After all, it is not the specifics of one plan or another that you
>> > are objecting to, it is the very idea itself, correct?
>> >
>> > Fine-- but my question is, what is your solution?  Do you think
>> > violently assertive forcible Indian military occupation, objected to by
>> > the majority of the Kashmiri population, with all kinds of ripple
>> > effects including (possibly) the steadily increasing militancy and
>> > radicalisation of the population, the increasing bitterness that reduces
>> > the chances of reconcilliation and peace day by day, and only
>> > increasingly so, should and can continue until kingdom come?  Or do you
>> > have any other ideas and possibilities in mind?
>> >
>> > I ask this as an earnest question, out of curiousity, not as a polemical
>> > point.
>> >
>> > Vivek
>> >
>> > Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>> > > Dear Jeebesh
>> > >
>> > > You are overstepping yourself. We are still on Point 1 of  your
>> "possible
>> > ways" arising from your "some friends were talking about different way
>> of
>> > thinking about Kashmir."
>> > >
>> > > "Referendum" was not in the menu of "possible ways" you floated. Let
>> us
>> > get back to your "Demilitarized Zone"
>> > >
>> > > You say that a "wide area" has to be De-militarized. That is a
>> > meaningless generality. Specify that "wide area" if you can. You will
>> not be
>> > able to do it if you have not thought over the "possible ways" you have
>> > floated. Do some thinking first.
>> > >
>> > > You suggest a "popular suffrage" to mark the "border". Over what
>> "area"
>> > do you propose that this "popular suffrage" will take place? In that
>> "area"
>> > who will participate?
>> > >
>> > > Obviously the "suffrage" cannot take place specifically in any
>> proposed
>> > "wide area" on "both sides of  the border" which you seek to
>> De-militarize
>> > because the very purpose of the "suffrage" is to demarcate precisely
>> that
>> > "wide area".
>> > >
>> > > Kshmendra
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>> > > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 4:14 PM
>> > >
>> > > Another Floater :)
>> > >
>> > > For a serious referendum to happen a very wide area has to be
>> > > demilitarized on both side of the present border. There can be a
>> > > popular suffrage to mark the border and hopefully something better
>> > > than the present situation may emerge.
>> > >
>> > > But my floater was not so much about the real-politic of border
>> > > making. It was about thinking a side ways to get out of this
>> > > "bleeding" politics and use all the various available international
>> > > institutions and instruments to arrive at some new arrangements.
>> > >
>> > > warmly
>> > > Jeebesh
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 16-Sep-08, at 3:38 PM, Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Dear Jeebesh
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> The "Demilitarized Zone" is your proposal and not mine. You
>> > >>
>> > > should
>> > >
>> > >> be the one to specify its borders. Unless, as is more than likely
>> > >> and is apparent, you have done very little thinking over the idea
>> > >> you have floated.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Kshmendra
>> > >>
>> > >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>> > >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:15 PM
>> > >>
>> > >> On 15-Sep-08, at 11:33 PM, Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> But I think a BD led UN peacekeeping force in Kashmir would not fly.
>> > >>>
>> > >> Why not? :) It will be South Asia in a complex entangle.
>> > >>
>> > >> And Kshmendra, borders are always a contested lines. You could
>> suggest
>> > >> what it could be.
>> > >>
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