[Reader-list] Some Points from discussions

[Partha Dasgupta]

Dear Pawan,

Even if the Govt gives intermittent approval to people from outside to buy
land in J&K, don't think anyone would buy it in the present situation.
Certainly not for commercial development.

Also, what's 'extra favors in the name of religion' got to do with Article
370 ?

Rgds, Partha
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:

> The reason may be that people in that region do not want extra favors in
> the name of religion.
> Also Govt does give approval from time to time for people from outside to
> buy land in HP.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Partha Dasgupta <
> partha.dasgupta at eliteinfomachine.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Pawan,
>> Won't claim to know how Article 370 is affecting J&K since I don't know.
>>
>> However, am aware that Article 370 is also affected for Himachal Pradesh
>> and some other states where it is not causing an issue.
>>
>> Am not disagreeing with what you are saying. Merely trying to understand
>> what you are trying to say.
>>
>> Rgds, Partha
>> ..........................
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The only solution is "abolishing Article 370". It would help Kashmir &
>>> Kashmiris integrate completely into India.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Kshemendra,
>>> >
>>> > I understand from your comments below that you think that any possible
>>> > "post-national" solution to the question of Kashmir is hogwash, dreamy,
>>> > silly, unthinkable-- in the same way that the idea of a nation-state
>>> > with a democratic polity was completely unthinkable a few hundred years
>>> > ago?  After all, it is not the specifics of one plan or another that
>>> you
>>> > are objecting to, it is the very idea itself, correct?
>>> >
>>> > Fine-- but my question is, what is your solution?  Do you think
>>> > violently assertive forcible Indian military occupation, objected to by
>>> > the majority of the Kashmiri population, with all kinds of ripple
>>> > effects including (possibly) the steadily increasing militancy and
>>> > radicalisation of the population, the increasing bitterness that
>>> reduces
>>> > the chances of reconcilliation and peace day by day, and only
>>> > increasingly so, should and can continue until kingdom come?  Or do you
>>> > have any other ideas and possibilities in mind?
>>> >
>>> > I ask this as an earnest question, out of curiousity, not as a
>>> polemical
>>> > point.
>>> >
>>> > Vivek
>>> >
>>> > Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>>> > > Dear Jeebesh
>>> > >
>>> > > You are overstepping yourself. We are still on Point 1 of  your
>>> "possible
>>> > ways" arising from your "some friends were talking about different way
>>> of
>>> > thinking about Kashmir."
>>> > >
>>> > > "Referendum" was not in the menu of "possible ways" you floated. Let
>>> us
>>> > get back to your "Demilitarized Zone"
>>> > >
>>> > > You say that a "wide area" has to be De-militarized. That is a
>>> > meaningless generality. Specify that "wide area" if you can. You will
>>> not be
>>> > able to do it if you have not thought over the "possible ways" you have
>>> > floated. Do some thinking first.
>>> > >
>>> > > You suggest a "popular suffrage" to mark the "border". Over what
>>> "area"
>>> > do you propose that this "popular suffrage" will take place? In that
>>> "area"
>>> > who will participate?
>>> > >
>>> > > Obviously the "suffrage" cannot take place specifically in any
>>> proposed
>>> > "wide area" on "both sides of  the border" which you seek to
>>> De-militarize
>>> > because the very purpose of the "suffrage" is to demarcate precisely
>>> that
>>> > "wide area".
>>> > >
>>> > > Kshmendra
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>>> > > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> > > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 4:14 PM
>>> > >
>>> > > Another Floater :)
>>> > >
>>> > > For a serious referendum to happen a very wide area has to be
>>> > > demilitarized on both side of the present border. There can be a
>>> > > popular suffrage to mark the border and hopefully something better
>>> > > than the present situation may emerge.
>>> > >
>>> > > But my floater was not so much about the real-politic of border
>>> > > making. It was about thinking a side ways to get out of this
>>> > > "bleeding" politics and use all the various available international
>>> > > institutions and instruments to arrive at some new arrangements.
>>> > >
>>> > > warmly
>>> > > Jeebesh
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 16-Sep-08, at 3:38 PM, Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Dear Jeebesh
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The "Demilitarized Zone" is your proposal and not mine. You
>>> > >>
>>> > > should
>>> > >
>>> > >> be the one to specify its borders. Unless, as is more than likely
>>> > >> and is apparent, you have done very little thinking over the idea
>>> > >> you have floated.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Kshmendra
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>>> > >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:15 PM
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 15-Sep-08, at 11:33 PM, Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> But I think a BD led UN peacekeeping force in Kashmir would not
>>> fly.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> Why not? :) It will be South Asia in a complex entangle.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> And Kshmendra, borders are always a contested lines. You could
>>> suggest
>>> > >> what it could be.
>>> > >>
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>> Partha Dasgupta
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