[Reader-list] Some Points from discussions

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Tue Sep 16 19:24:33 IST 2008 

Dear Partha,
You re mistaken. Jammu & Kashmir is not Srinagar only. People would surely
buy and invest.

Article 370 is a curtain which gives a sense of being different or elevated.

Pawan

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Partha Dasgupta <
partha.dasgupta at eliteinfomachine.com> wrote:

> Dear Pawan,
>
> Even if the Govt gives intermittent approval to people from outside to buy
> land in J&K, don't think anyone would buy it in the present situation.
> Certainly not for commercial development.
>
> Also, what's 'extra favors in the name of religion' got to do with Article
> 370 ?
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ...........................
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The reason may be that people in that region do not want extra favors in
>> the name of religion.
>> Also Govt does give approval from time to time for people from outside to
>> buy land in HP.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Partha Dasgupta <
>> partha.dasgupta at eliteinfomachine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Pawan,
>>> Won't claim to know how Article 370 is affecting J&K since I don't know.
>>>
>>> However, am aware that Article 370 is also affected for Himachal Pradesh
>>> and some other states where it is not causing an issue.
>>>
>>> Am not disagreeing with what you are saying. Merely trying to understand
>>> what you are trying to say.
>>>
>>> Rgds, Partha
>>> ..........................
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only solution is "abolishing Article 370". It would help Kashmir &
>>>> Kashmiris integrate completely into India.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Kshemendra,
>>>> >
>>>> > I understand from your comments below that you think that any possible
>>>> > "post-national" solution to the question of Kashmir is hogwash,
>>>> dreamy,
>>>> > silly, unthinkable-- in the same way that the idea of a nation-state
>>>> > with a democratic polity was completely unthinkable a few hundred
>>>> years
>>>> > ago?  After all, it is not the specifics of one plan or another that
>>>> you
>>>> > are objecting to, it is the very idea itself, correct?
>>>> >
>>>> > Fine-- but my question is, what is your solution?  Do you think
>>>> > violently assertive forcible Indian military occupation, objected to
>>>> by
>>>> > the majority of the Kashmiri population, with all kinds of ripple
>>>> > effects including (possibly) the steadily increasing militancy and
>>>> > radicalisation of the population, the increasing bitterness that
>>>> reduces
>>>> > the chances of reconcilliation and peace day by day, and only
>>>> > increasingly so, should and can continue until kingdom come?  Or do
>>>> you
>>>> > have any other ideas and possibilities in mind?
>>>> >
>>>> > I ask this as an earnest question, out of curiousity, not as a
>>>> polemical
>>>> > point.
>>>> >
>>>> > Vivek
>>>> >
>>>> > Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>>>> > > Dear Jeebesh
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You are overstepping yourself. We are still on Point 1 of  your
>>>> "possible
>>>> > ways" arising from your "some friends were talking about different way
>>>> of
>>>> > thinking about Kashmir."
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "Referendum" was not in the menu of "possible ways" you floated. Let
>>>> us
>>>> > get back to your "Demilitarized Zone"
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You say that a "wide area" has to be De-militarized. That is a
>>>> > meaningless generality. Specify that "wide area" if you can. You will
>>>> not be
>>>> > able to do it if you have not thought over the "possible ways" you
>>>> have
>>>> > floated. Do some thinking first.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You suggest a "popular suffrage" to mark the "border". Over what
>>>> "area"
>>>> > do you propose that this "popular suffrage" will take place? In that
>>>> "area"
>>>> > who will participate?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Obviously the "suffrage" cannot take place specifically in any
>>>> proposed
>>>> > "wide area" on "both sides of  the border" which you seek to
>>>> De-militarize
>>>> > because the very purpose of the "suffrage" is to demarcate precisely
>>>> that
>>>> > "wide area".
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Kshmendra
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>>>> > > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> > > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 4:14 PM
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Another Floater :)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > For a serious referendum to happen a very wide area has to be
>>>> > > demilitarized on both side of the present border. There can be a
>>>> > > popular suffrage to mark the border and hopefully something better
>>>> > > than the present situation may emerge.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > But my floater was not so much about the real-politic of border
>>>> > > making. It was about thinking a side ways to get out of this
>>>> > > "bleeding" politics and use all the various available international
>>>> > > institutions and instruments to arrive at some new arrangements.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > warmly
>>>> > > Jeebesh
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 16-Sep-08, at 3:38 PM, Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Dear Jeebesh
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> The "Demilitarized Zone" is your proposal and not mine. You
>>>> > >>
>>>> > > should
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> be the one to specify its borders. Unless, as is more than likely
>>>> > >> and is apparent, you have done very little thinking over the idea
>>>> > >> you have floated.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Kshmendra
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> From: Jeebesh <jeebesh at sarai.net>
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions
>>>> > >> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:15 PM
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On 15-Sep-08, at 11:33 PM, Naeem Mohaiemen wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>> But I think a BD led UN peacekeeping force in Kashmir would not
>>>> fly.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >> Why not? :) It will be South Asia in a complex entangle.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> And Kshmendra, borders are always a contested lines. You could
>>>> suggest
>>>> > >> what it could be.
>>>> > >>
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>>>
>>
>>
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