[Reader-list] Some Points from discussions

[Lalit Ambardar]

Why not? Infact the idea of SAARC could be taken further on the lines of European Union . Even CIS model could be modified to suite the region. If it is ecnomics that can bring us together let it be . Shared heritage & history should make it easier provided the hidden 'agenda to destablise others' being pursued by some, is abandoned.
Regards all
LA
PS:   
I have this dream of travelling through this region by road & meet up with all those long lost friends known as well as unknown, spread all over.



> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:59:18 +0530> From: sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> To: vivek at sarai.net; kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions> > Dear Kshemendra, Jeebesh, Vivek, Sanjay and everyone else interested in> Kashmir,> > I have been away this past month, but have looked at the Sarai List from> time to time. I find it interesting that the discussion on Kashmir has> turned to 'post-national' solutions and that Jeebesh volunteered the Dixon> Plan as one way of arriving at a solution. But if you study the plan> carefully along with the maps you will realise that there are/were very> valid reasons for why it was rejected in the 1950's itself.> > Since then there have been various attempts to rephrase and re-package the> Dixon Plan into something more palatable, but because the basis in all the> subsequent proposals was a division of the state on religious lines it was> rejected by India. > > What I find interesting about the discussion so far is that most people seem> content to dismiss the nation-state as inherently obdurate, bent on making> the lives of Kashmiris, among others, miserable. Some thought and some work> has been done on Kashmir in the last sixty years, and I think not only would> it be grossly unfair to the people who have attempted to think about and do> something on Kashmir if one did not acknowledge it, but it would also be> reinventing a very flat wheel if one didn't examine past mistakes.> > About a month ago in a discussion with Shuddha I had put forward a proposal> for a South Asian Union that has been under discussion for several years> with friends from the region. This would include Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sri> Lanka, India, Nepal, Bangladesh with the possibility of Tibet and Burma as> observer states. > > No takers on the list? Well, FYI by 2015 the governments of these countries> will have in place the South Asian Free Trade Agreement (SAFTA). This push> is obviously coming from the trade fraternity, but where does this leave> civil society? Why are we not responding creatively to something which could> potentially either become a trade agreement which would benefit only big> business, or something that could mean real freedom for the nearly 2 billion> people in this region?> > > > From: Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net>> > Organization: Sarai> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:55:02 +0530> > To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>, sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Some Points from discussions> > > > I did not say you wrote that Kshmendra, I said that I was given to > understand> > it that way from what you were saying. Hence, the question > mark in my note> > below. Perhaps you are being a little too intelligently > vague. In any case,> > if you do think there are possibilities here beyond > the nation state,> > including beyond occupation by and assertion and > domination of the Indian> > nation state, I'd be very glad to hear of them.> > Kshmendra Kaul wrote:> >> >> > Dear Vivek> >> > > >> > Either I did not know what I was writing or you chose not> > understand. > > Either way that is unfortunate. You would not want that> > happening with > > you. Would you?> >> > > >> > Where in this particular thread> > have I mentioned or suggested that :> >> > > >> > """" any possible> > "post-national" solution to the question of Kashmir > > is hogwash,> > dreamy,> > silly, unthinkable"""""> >> > > >> > Once you answer that, I could (perhaps> > tomorrow) address rest of what > > you have written.> >> > > >> >> > Kshmendra> >> >> > _________________________________________> reader-list: an open> > discussion list on media and the city.> Critiques & Collaborations> To> > subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with subscribe in> > the subject header.> To unsubscribe:> > https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list > List archive:> > &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>> > > _________________________________________> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.> Critiques & Collaborations> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with subscribe in the subject header.> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list > List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
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