[Reader-list] The updated list of killings by the firing ofarmedforces

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Sat Sep 20 15:05:42 IST 2008 

Shuddha, 

 your post is bordering on something like insane or very intelligent.? Do the terrorists and insurgents have any uniform. ? Do the protesters in Srinagar have any uniform. ? They see the opportunity and become insurgents and perpetrate terror. be it Mufti or mehbooba they are within the society, but do they have any uniform for terrorists. ?

  Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The updated list of killings by the firing ofarmedforces
To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Pawan,
> 
> I don't treat news of death as reasons for laughter, no matter who 
> dies.
> The Col. Thomas who died in Kashmir did not die at the hands of 
> the  
> crowds on the streets of Kashmir. He died while on an operation, 
> in  
> combat, exactly as  an insurgent dies in combat, while on an   
> operation. As one armed man taken out by other armed men.
> 
> See -
> http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/24/stories/2008082457840100.htm
> 
> The report says - "Col. Thomas was killed as he led a quick 
> reaction  
> team from 45 Rashtriya Rifles in the dense forests of Macchal 
> sector,  
> near the Line of Control. His team shot down six militants and he 
> was  
> one of the four Indian soldiers who were killed in the battle."
> 
> I regret all such deaths, whether they be of Col. Jojan Thomas, or 
> 
> Mohan Chand Sharma, or of a named or nameless insurgent, and 
> consider  
> them to be lives wasted in a senseless war. The only way to stop  
> deaths like these is to stop this war. I want this war to end.
> 
> The two policemen who died in Jammu happened to be lynched by the  
> crowds on the streets of Jammu. They were not killed by militants 
> in  
> dense forests. The mob killed because it had a sense that it could 
> 
> act with impunity. They were not acting in self defence either. In 
> 
> this case, the mob was not retaliating for violence inflicted upon it.
> 
> See - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/ 
> Cops_lynched_rail_track_uprooted_in_Jammu/articleshow/3331088.cms
> 
> The report says - "Mobs in Jammu lynched two cops to death and  
> uprooted a long stretch of the Jammu-Pathankote railway track."
> 
> One can compare militants with militants and crowds of protestors, 
> 
> with crowds of protestors
> 
> And when you do, you realize (if you are not wearing the kind of   
> blinkers that make you think of some deaths as more important than 
> 
> others) the important difference that I was trying to point out  
> between two kinds of 'peaceful protestors', and the responses to 
> them  
> by the state in Jammu, and in Kashmir.
> 
> Try and cultivate a less vicious sense of humour.
> 
> Shuddha
> 
> 
> On 20-Sep-08, at 12:03 PM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> 
> > lol......funniest post ever.
> > How soon we have forgotten Col. Thomas who was killed in 
> Kashmir.  
> > and then
> > the statement  People in Kashmir threw stones, like angry crowds do
> > everywhere in the world.
> >
> > lol........
> >
> > What an Idea Sirrr Jee.
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta  
> > <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Radhika,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your observations on Khurram's posting.
> >>
> >> Well, in this case some  "protesters who claim to be peaceful,
> >> holding sticks, guns and resort to arson and riot" were 
> "garlanded.">> I am referring to the ones in Jammu. You will 
> recall, that not a
> >> single policeman or soldier or paramilitary personnel were 
> killed in
> >> Kashmir. But two policemen did die in Jammu, and some truck drivers
> >> assaulted by the 'peaceful' protestors in Jammu also succmbed, I
> >> suppose in your opinion, "peacefully"  from their injuries. Gujjar
> >> huts were burnt in acts of "peaceful" arson. The crowds in Kashmir
> >> who were fired upon, 50 of whom were killed at the last count, did
> >> not bear weapons. We all saw the television pictures. They threw
> >> stones, like angry crowds do everywhere in the world. But they did
> >> not kill policemen.
> >>
> >> The government did not garland these protestors, it clamped
> >> indefinite curfews and shot at them to kill. One the other hand it
> >> did garland the protestors on the other side of the Banihal 
> pass. it
> >> held some leaders under the Public Safety Act, and then released
> >> them. It counducted 'negotiations' with the leaders of the peaceful
> >> protests in Jammu and garlanded them with a sham 'accord'. All 
> these>> prove that if you happen to belong to the right place, 
> sport the
> >> right kind of name, then even if your 'peaceful' protest turns
> >> occasionally violent, you can still be 'garlanded' as you (in this
> >> case) rightly point out.
> >>
> >> After all, we live in the country whose government called its 
> nuclear>> weapons tests in 1974, 'peaceful implosions'.
> >>
> >> In the novel, '1984' George Orwell, whom I have referred to in an
> >> earlier posting, wrote about how in the language perfected by
> >> fictional regime that he was decribing, (newspeak) 'PEACE' was 
> 'WAR'.>>
> >> are you not indulging in a little modest 'newspeak' Radhika, 
> surely,>> you can do better than that?
> >>
> >> warm regards
> >>
> >> Shuddha
> >>
> >> On 18-Sep-08, at 1:46 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> >> Khurram,
> >>
> >>  your post makes me wonder, whether the protesters who claim to be
> >> peaceful, holding sticks, guns and resort to arson and riot 
> should be
> >> garlanded. ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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