[Reader-list] Today's "media circus" at Jamia

inder salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sun Sep 21 19:57:00 IST 2008 

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:56 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

dear Lalit

> History is full of menace. right now there are numerous policies of
> the west which are creating havoc on this earth.  Islamic
> Fundamentalism is  a reaction  to that, but unfortunately it ends up
> strengthening its own enemy.  I wish the islamic protest are creative
> in future. and  the moment they become creative in their protests
> against the ruthless pusuits of the west to gain control of the world
> capital. we will see them as our friends, and not as our enemies.
>
> unfortunately, the west is winner here. Their foreign policies are
> perfectly in place. you might have seen how Henery Moor shows us the
> deeper link between Bush Sr. and Bin laden. There are deeper secretive
> layers in modern histroy than what meets the eye.
>
> Are not these very amercians who trained Talibans when our Soviet
> Friends were occupiying Afganistan ? And now they are terrorsits.
> Have not Americans always helped pakistan's ISI.
> There are many question which will remain unanswered. Tell me what do
> you feel about Iraq war.
>
> anyway, you want to limit the discussion to Pan Islamisim as we are
> told in the media.
> but it is too deeply layered.
>
> one of my friends in Kashmir, who is fed up with this fundamentalism,
> said humouresly, that America will pass an ordinace, that all the
> muslims should pray six times in a day instead of five. We all laughed
>
> my dear friend, muslims are just like us, just imagine if you were
> born in a muslim family, how you would feel about it.
>
> my best of wish
> love
> is
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Lalit Ambardar
> <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Inder,
>> I would still like to limit the discussion here to the menace of pan Islamic
>> terrorism that is  now becoming a major threat to the world . Look what they
>> did yesterday in Pakistan - their progenitor.
>>  Inter community antagonism is not new to this country & is in no way
>> connected with the pan Islamic terrorism. As I have mentioned earlier also
>> that Bangluru born aeronautics engineer did not blow himself up in far away
>> Glasgow to avenge some Hindu -Muslim riot back home. Nor were Bamiyan Budhas
>> blasted off because of if, any  communal disharmony in India. The symbol of
>> Sufism & Kashmiriyat -Chare Shariff wasn't singed by that pan Islamist
>> mercenary Mast Gul in any retaliation to non Muslims.But the hapless
>> minority Hindu Pandits were subjected to ethnic cleansing by the Kalashnikov
>> wielding zealots in the streets of Kashmir only in pursuit of 'azadi- bara-
>> e -islam. There were no riots in Kashmir - it was genocide.
>>
>>  The issue of  inter communal disharmony needs a separate discussion , no
>> doubt, but should not be mixed up with the menace of (global) pan Islamic
>> terrorism. Otherwise it could be construed that the whole Muslim community
>> supported terrorism, which in not true.
>> Regards
>> LA
>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:43:07 +0530
>>> From: indersalim at gmail.com
>>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Today's "media circus" at Jamia
>>>
>>> dear Lalit
>>>
>>> we are truely not aware about the feelings of those who endure the
>>> loss of their near and dear one in a violent way.
>>>
>>> we dont know the inner mental process of an individual who see their
>>> women folk raped and murdered and burned to death by angry mobs. just
>>> dont know,
>>>
>>> yes, it is a good feeling that kashmiri pandits have not met those
>>> dangerouls elements who utilize this injured ready-made for their own
>>> gains. you inference that kashmiri pandits too should have become
>>> terrorists is not what i mean. all i said that why we dont talk whey
>>> they are hurt.
>>>
>>> yes, i urgently want to know from you also, that why we dont demand an
>>> immediate arrest of Parveen Tagodia, and a immediate ban on Bajrang
>>> Dal/VHP.
>>>
>>> now since, we all agree that Muslims were badly at the receving end in
>>> Gjuarat and Mumbai
>>>
>>> yes, about minority in the valley , i have time and again pointed out
>>> that kashmiri pandits suffered, too badly, more than one can express
>>> in words, and those responsible should be brought to the book ,and all
>>> terrorisits organizations , should be banned,
>>>
>>> yes, the political process has its tools: talking.
>>>
>>> that is what we too are doing
>>> with love
>>> is
>>> is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Lalit Ambardar
>>> <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Dear Inder,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It is not difficult to trace the Jihadi terror trail invariably to
>>> > Kashmir
>>> > or via Kashmir to POK.
>>> >
>>> > It was only last week a known commander of HUJI was killed in Kishtwar.
>>> > For
>>> > the 2005 Diwali eve serial bombings in Delhi one of the main culprits- a
>>> > Kashmiri Muslim is on trial. About the Parliament attack, we know all
>>> > the
>>> > role of Kashmiri pan Islamists. And let us not forget that the clerics
>>> > from
>>> > UP & Bihar had a major role in the indoctrination process in Kashmir.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > And I do not agree at all that the Muslim community as whole should be
>>> > held
>>> > responsible for the Jihadi terrorism. In fact I feel saddened that
>>> > Muslims,
>>> > because of some of their co-religionists who have chosen the path of pan
>>> > Islamism are expected to prove their allegiance to India every time
>>> > there
>>> > was a terror attack.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We are talking about a 'mind set'. A Bangalury based young aeronautics
>>> > engineer does not go all the way to faraway Glasgow to blow himself up
>>> > there
>>> > to avenge some 'riot' in his backyard back home. Then there was this
>>> > Birmingham born Bilal who blew himself up in a suicide car bombing in
>>> > Srinagar in 2000.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The alleged 'issues' that you have attempted to raise as 'justified
>>> > grounds'
>>> > for terrorism are debatable & I suggest should not become part of this
>>> > debate. After all you & me & others aren't stupids who spend so much of
>>> > time
>>> > on this forum on discussions. It is shocking to see the known
>>> > sympathisers
>>> > of Kashmiri Muslim separatists citing your 'argument' on the TV screens.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > By justifying 'terrorism' on the grounds of perceived injustice, you are
>>> > only encouraging further mayhem & anarchy.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > By the way what was the provocation that lead to the ethnic cleansing of
>>> > the
>>> > Hindu Pandits in the valley?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If one would go by your logic then the exiled Hindu Pandits should have
>>> > raised an army of insurgents to avenge the brutalities inflicted on them
>>> > by
>>> > the Kashmiri pan Islamists.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Don't forget & rightly so there has been no retaliation against the
>>> > inhuman
>>> > treatment meted out to the minuscule minority of Hindu Pandits at the
>>> > hands
>>> > of the zealots in the valley.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Pandits continue to suffer the ignominy of being refugees in their own
>>> > country. Pandits do have complains against their erstwhile neighbours,
>>> > colleagues, friends who failed to protect them. Yet the bonhomie still
>>> > exists. Kashmiriyat has been dumped & quite brazenly in the recent past
>>> > in
>>> > the valley but it still survives in the Hindu Pandit refugee camps out
>>> > side
>>> > Kashmir.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > LA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:58:41 +0530
>>> >> From: indersalim at gmail.com
>>> >> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Today's "media circus" at Jamia
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Lalit
>>> >> Apparently, Delhi blasts have nothing to do with Kashmir problem.
>>> >> Let us dismiss Yousf's media circus theory regarding encounter in
>>> >> Jamia, but let us think why it happened.
>>> >>
>>> >> can we dismiss the fact that Babri Masjid demolition happened, Bombay
>>> >> riots, and then Gujarat where most of the muslim population had to
>>> >> suffer for no fault of theirs.
>>> >>
>>> >> How is it surprising that some of the affected get motivated to do
>>> >> this ugly work in Delhi or elsewhere. Who is the culprit?
>>> >>
>>> >> Media circus is a fact New World Order, we are still learning to live
>>> >> with
>>> >> it.
>>> >> All we need to know is that how it works, what looks representation
>>> >> of reality is truly a manufactured thing from word go.
>>> >>
>>> >> love
>>> >> is
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Did you guys factor in the small detail that a policeman has died?Was
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > to get more ratings for the "media circus" ?
>>> >> > http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/19del1.htm
>>> >> > Mohan Chand Sharma, inspector of the Delhi [Images] Police Special
>>> >> > Cell
>>> >> > who was critically injured during an encounter with Delhi
>>> >> > blasts-linked
>>> >> > terrorists, died in a hospital on Friday evening.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "We have lost our best man," Joint Commissioner of Police (Special
>>> >> > Cell)
>>> >> > Karnal Singh told PTI.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Forty-one-year-old Sharma, a highly decorated officer who received
>>> >> > three
>>> >> > bullet injuries in his abdomen, thigh and right arm in the gunbattle
>>> >> > at
>>> >> > Jamia Nagar in South Delhi, succumbed to his injuries at the Holy
>>> >> > Family
>>> >> > hospital at 7 pm, doctors attending him said.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > A recipient of seven gallantry medals, Sharma, who had led the police
>>> >> > team against the terrorists wanted in connection with the Delhi and
>>> >> > Ahmedabad [Images] blasts, underwent an operation to remove the
>>> >> > bullets from
>>> >> > his body.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The profusely-bleeding officer was taken to the hospital.
>>> >> > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Today's "media circus" at Jamia
>>> >> >> To: "Yousuf" <ysaeed7 at yahoo.com>
>>> >> >> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> >> >> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:01 AM
>>> >> >> Dear Yousuf,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Many thanks for this post and for sharing your thoughts on
>>> >> >> the 'media
>>> >> >> circus'.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Watching the 'media circus' unfold on television, I
>>> >> >> was appalled at
>>> >> >> the manner in which the 'spectacle' was priming
>>> >> >> itself up through the
>>> >> >> day. A channel called 'News 24' for instance, was
>>> >> >> repeatedly
>>> >> >> informing us that it 'was the first to transmit
>>> >> >> pictures of the
>>> >> >> encounter' etc, as if it had just won India yet another
>>> >> >> sharp-
>>> >> >> shooting gold medal in the Olympics.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> A thought that did strike me was, "'how much more
>>> >> >> disrespectful can
>>> >> >> the blood-lust of this spectacle of a hunt, get to all
>>> >> >> those who died
>>> >> >> in today's 'Encounter' , be they policemen on
>>> >> >> duty, or 'alleged'
>>> >> >> terrorists ?"
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I think we need to give some serious thought to the fact
>>> >> >> that these
>>> >> >> days police encounters are actually an extended part of
>>> >> >> 'Reality
>>> >> >> TV' (which in any case, the entire genre should be more
>>> >> >> appropriately
>>> >> >> called 'Surreality TV'). That seem scripted well in
>>> >> >> advance. How else
>>> >> >> (as you so cogently point out) can one explain the sudden
>>> >> >> appearance
>>> >> >> of large OB vans, with heavy duty equipment, battling heavy
>>> >> >> rush hour
>>> >> >> traffic, in a congested area like Jamia Nagar, just at the
>>> >> >> 'nick of
>>> >> >> time'?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The TV commentators, throughout the day, referred to what
>>> >> >> their
>>> >> >> 'sources' in the Special Cell, or in the Delhi
>>> >> >> Police, told them. I
>>> >> >> wondered to what degree the entire 'Operation' was
>>> >> >> co-scripted,
>>> >> >> between these 'sources' and the newsrooms of
>>> >> >> Television channels.
>>> >> >> There seems something almost monotonously repetitive in
>>> >> >> these
>>> >> >> situations. A strange feeling of Deja-Vu. Something tells
>>> >> >> me we have
>>> >> >> seen this before. Or is it just that I have watched way too
>>> >> >> much
>>> >> >> 'reality' ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> regards
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Shuddha
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 19-Sep-08, at 8:25 PM, Yousuf wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Friends
>>> >> >> > I have titled this message the "media circus",
>>> >> >> although I am
>>> >> >> > actually referring to this morning's so-called
>>> >> >> encounter killing of
>>> >> >> > two young people referred to as "terrorists" in
>>> >> >> L-18 Batla House,
>>> >> >> > Jamia Nagar, by the Delhi police. I call it media
>>> >> >> circus because
>>> >> >> > that's what I think it really is, like many more
>>> >> >> such incidents.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The incident happened in my neigbourhood, about 150
>>> >> >> meters from my
>>> >> >> > house. So I have the opportunity to see how things are
>>> >> >> turning up.
>>> >> >> > I had gone out of the area for some work while the
>>> >> >> incident was
>>> >> >> > taking place around 11 am, but found it impossible to
>>> >> >> reach back
>>> >> >> > home 2 hours later, because the road for about 1 and a
>>> >> >> half
>>> >> >> > kilometer (on both sides) was completely blocked, not
>>> >> >> by the police
>>> >> >> > vehicles, but by the parked OB vans of the countless
>>> >> >> TV channels,
>>> >> >> > some of which I never heard of before. Each of these
>>> >> >> vehicles had
>>> >> >> > its generators on, and thick video cables jetting out
>>> >> >> of them for
>>> >> >> > several meters to the other end where the cameraperson
>>> >> >> and the
>>> >> >> > excited anchor were shouting how two terrorists have
>>> >> >> been killed in
>>> >> >> > the fierce encounter. Most local people are surprised
>>> >> >> at the speed
>>> >> >> > with which the TV crews arrived here and in such large
>>> >> >> number.
>>> >> >> > Apparently, the Delhi Police had already told a
>>> >> >> section of the
>>> >> >> > press they are going for a raid in Batla House, based
>>> >> >> > on the suspect Abu Bashir's tip-off (I heard this
>>> >> >> from a anchor on
>>> >> >> > Times NOW channel, although Police chief Dadwal is now
>>> >> >> denying
>>> >> >> > there is any link with Abu Bashir), but they didn't
>>> >> >> obviously say
>>> >> >> > it was going to be an encounter. Its strange that the
>>> >> >> local
>>> >> >> > residents got to know about the incident only after
>>> >> >> the two people
>>> >> >> > had been killed – many in fact learnt it from the
>>> >> >> Aaj-tak channel.
>>> >> >> > They claim they heard only the police firing and no
>>> >> >> gunshots from
>>> >> >> > inside the flat, which the police claim have injured
>>> >> >> two of their
>>> >> >> > constables.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Most of you watching news TV in your homes may have
>>> >> >> already heard
>>> >> >> > the cacophony of the TV anchors, each trying to be
>>> >> >> shriller than
>>> >> >> > the other to prove that the local members of the
>>> >> >> Indian Mujahideen
>>> >> >> > have been killed. They now seem to have memorized
>>> >> >> their lines on
>>> >> >> > this issue well, since they have to repeat the same
>>> >> >> thing again and
>>> >> >> > again. The graphics, animated logos, crawling tickers,
>>> >> >> and dramatic
>>> >> >> > music/soundtrack to go with such coverage are always
>>> >> >> ready in the
>>> >> >> > cans to be used at short notice. A cameraman running
>>> >> >> towards Batla
>>> >> >> > House is nibbling at a burger while he holds on to a
>>> >> >> camera in his
>>> >> >> > other hand. I saw two members of a TV crew outside the
>>> >> >> Holy Family
>>> >> >> > Hospital (where the injured policemen have been taken)
>>> >> >> fiercely
>>> >> >> > fight about which camera angle would look best for a
>>> >> >> sound byte.
>>> >> >> > Everything looks as if planned and part of the usual
>>> >> >> business. The
>>> >> >> > cops are happily allowing the media to climb any wall
>>> >> >> to get the
>>> >> >> > best shot while they beat the local
>>> >> >> > rickshawpullers to leave the roads clean. The message
>>> >> >> has got
>>> >> >> > across loud and clear: we told you – Batla House is
>>> >> >> a haven of
>>> >> >> > terrorists.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > But many things sound fishy. I've been hearing a lot
>>> >> >> of angry
>>> >> >> > conversations in the neighborhood: people are asking
>>> >> >> that if the
>>> >> >> > police had only planned a simple raid (which they did
>>> >> >> 2 days ago in
>>> >> >> > Zakir Nagar and Abul Fazl Enclave too), why did they
>>> >> >> have to bring
>>> >> >> > battalions of police and encounter specialists with
>>> >> >> AK-56 and other
>>> >> >> > deadly looking guns (that I myself saw) in advance.
>>> >> >> And why is the
>>> >> >> > media called in even before the residents are told. Of
>>> >> >> course the
>>> >> >> > fact the this happens in the month of Ramzan, on a
>>> >> >> Friday, and near
>>> >> >> > a large mosque where people were going to gather in
>>> >> >> large numbers
>>> >> >> > later for prayers, sounds just too predictable and
>>> >> >> clichéd for
>>> >> >> > anyone's imagination. Some locals claim that the
>>> >> >> police had been
>>> >> >> > visiting this place (and that particular house) since
>>> >> >> last few
>>> >> >> > days, and the so-called terrorists and their weapons
>>> >> >> were probably
>>> >> >> > "planted" last night for this encounter. This
>>> >> >> claim would obviously
>>> >> >> > find no takers in the presently
>>> >> >> > created euphoria (did you see any channel showing a
>>> >> >> sound byte to
>>> >> >> > this affect?) I didn't find a single local resident
>>> >> >> who is not fed
>>> >> >> > up with this oft-repeated image of Jamia Nagar as
>>> >> >> harboring
>>> >> >> > terrorists. But none of the channels I saw aired the
>>> >> >> public angst
>>> >> >> > against their portrayal.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > To be honest, one shouldn't deny that the Batla
>>> >> >> House area has some
>>> >> >> > criminal and anti-social elements, just as Darya Ganj
>>> >> >> or Shahadra
>>> >> >> > or Govindpuri would have. But most local residents
>>> >> >> believe that for
>>> >> >> > Jamia to become a haven of such criminal elements, the
>>> >> >> local police
>>> >> >> > and land-mafia are equally responsible. Jamia area is
>>> >> >> one of the
>>> >> >> > rare localities of Delhi where the rule of law
>>> >> >> doesn't apply in
>>> >> >> > most spheres. The land mafia openly indulges in
>>> >> >> illegal
>>> >> >> > construction; no rules of traffic apply here, the
>>> >> >> condition of
>>> >> >> > civic amenities is abysmal. Illegal shops, factories
>>> >> >> (many with
>>> >> >> > child labour) and businesses operate here actively
>>> >> >> with police
>>> >> >> > connivance. The local politicians (MLA, councilors)
>>> >> >> are actually
>>> >> >> > part of the problem rather than the solution. There is
>>> >> >> a full-scale
>>> >> >> > illegal ISBT (bus stand) running in Batla House's
>>> >> >> backyard to bring
>>> >> >> > hundreds of migrants everyday from small towns of UP
>>> >> >> (you can see
>>> >> >> > the police openly accepting bribe from its
>>> >> >> > operators any day).
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > There is no question of sealing whatever the heck
>>> >> >> business you may
>>> >> >> > run here, and most places stink with heaps of garbage
>>> >> >> everywhere.
>>> >> >> > There are no RWAs or citizen's initiatives to
>>> >> >> discuss the problems.
>>> >> >> > It is truly a manufactured ghetto of Delhi – why
>>> >> >> don't all these
>>> >> >> > problems happen in Lajpat Nagar or Kalkaji? I am
>>> >> >> positive that the
>>> >> >> > authorities are aware that criminals (or what they
>>> >> >> call terrorists)
>>> >> >> > exist here. But they deliberately allow them to thrive
>>> >> >> here – never
>>> >> >> > to be touched in the normal/peaceful times – keep
>>> >> >> them for the
>>> >> >> > right time. It is as if Batla House is a laboratory or
>>> >> >> breeding
>>> >> >> > ground where things are allowed to grow by providing
>>> >> >> all the
>>> >> >> > required ingredients and safety. The fruits are
>>> >> >> plucked only when
>>> >> >> > they are ripe (or required). So today, they simply
>>> >> >> came to gather
>>> >> >> > the fruit they had sown, and made a big exhibition of
>>> >> >> it by calling
>>> >> >> > the media. The local people, frightened that the next
>>> >> >> encounter may
>>> >> >> > happen in their house, simply
>>> >> >> > squirm and hide in their personal ghettos.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > In all this, a big responsibility lies with the media,
>>> >> >> and I am yet
>>> >> >> > to come across bold and honest reporters who are ready
>>> >> >> to go beyond
>>> >> >> > the obvious and investigate the truth – not simply
>>> >> >> repeat what is
>>> >> >> > told to them by the authorities or their channel
>>> >> >> bosses.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Yousuf Saeed
>>> >> >> > September 19, 2008
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
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