[Reader-list] Rashneek and other evils

Mon Sep 22 18:07:47 IST 2008

Sukanya,

Your post is a bunch of "bull-shit". I'm sorry to use these terms. Yes, I
know that even I spoke against a person for using terms inappropriate for
this forum.

I don't know what is the motivating force behind your this post. I've hardly
heard you from past some time atleast here. So, its again a simple
question...Why are you a member of this forum ?

Its disturbing to read your thinking and frustration. Kindly be a little
mature and understanding.

Its no business again for your to judge if someone is speaking the truth or
not. In that way, even I can brand you a liar and a hyprocrit and also a
secular apologist.

You have no idea of "Terrorism" and don't know if at all have experienced it
first hand. Its one thing to read it and mug up things from books; and
another when you are ousted from your own land just because you don;t
support killings and the so called 'Jihand' and because you are a true
Indian.

You may choose to remain blind for the rest of your life. But, will it do
any good to you ?

Rashneek is a refugee in his own country like some other 5 lakh Kashmiri
Pandits. And, whenever he writes something as blunt, direct, sensible and
objective; it disturbs you to find this another view which is positive and
obviously not supporting your agenda of 'slavery'.

Wake up !!!! And, its people like you who encourage Islamic Terrorism to
spread its venom and capture innocnt lives into its claws time and again.
Realise this untill its just too late. Your appeasement won't help when you
suddenly find a bomb planted near you and your family in Central Park and
there is no time to react. Think sometimes for the victims too....

Aditya Raj Kaul

On 9/22/08, sukanya ghosh <skinnyghosh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rashneek,
>
> Simple question: why are you on this list? All we are privileged to get
> from you are rants and confused rhetoric or conspiracy theories. And
> when anyone tries to engage in any kind of debate/discussion on these
> you resort to abusive verbiage about 'you lot' and 'people like you'.
> You are the first to raise your shrill voice in defense of any
> jingoistic claptrap that is fed to us by various channels. The
> randomness of your mails and people like you (to take a leaf out of your
> language) leaves me stupefied. By your own special brand of non-logic,
> we are all (by default) mostly 'liars and distorters' which brings me
> back to this: why are you on this list?
>
> People who are as blind as they are are fervent about their complacency
> are the true terror in this country. You have no idea of humanity of
> even human interaction except through your lens of 'us and them'.
> Somebody's not Kashmiri, someones' not Hindu, someone's Kashmiri but not
> a Pandit, someone is a Hero and then of course someone is to be a
> villain. You and people like you are the reason why we live in such a
> fractured society that has feels it has no other recourse except that of
> violence. People like you who have adopted intolerance and poor judgment
> as their yardstick. You are the people who find satisfaction in
> retribution and revenge. It is ultimately people like you who give hope
> to those people who are behind the violent attacks all around us. Every
> time you point a finger at the dastardly 'other' who is the terrorist in
> another place remember who are creating two more who believe they should
> retaliate in kind.
>
> Sukanya
>
>
>
>
> rashneek kher wrote:
> > Shudda,
> >
> > It is no laughing matter but the way you guys have been behaving makes me
> > sick.You are such a rotten lot that you dont even care that a brave
> officer
> > lost his life trying to protect people like you and me.Even before the
> story
> > broke you guys already had a case ready to call it a fake encounter.Have
> > some shame>what I wrote was a true reflection of people like  you and
> many
> > others here.
> > It is people like you who raise hue and cry everytime the Police wants to
> > act and that encourages your boys to kill more.
> > I really dont need to learn from a liar and distorter like you as to what
> I
> > am to do to combat terrorism.
> >
> > Rashneek
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> > <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Rashneek,
> >>
> >>
> >> I am absolutely appalled that you should find anything to laugh about in
> a
> >> terrible tragedy like what has occurred in Islamabad. I hope that all
> list
> >> members will join me in condemning this. I grieve for those who died in
> >> Islamabad as much as I grieve for those who died in Delhi, or Bangalore,
> or
> >> Ahmedabad, or Jaipur. As I am sure many sensible people would. No doubt,
> >> there will be people, not unlike you, in Pakistan, who will jump to the
> gun
> >> and say that the blast was the handiwork of 'Indian' agents. There is a
> >> mirroring that goes on in Pakistan of every stupid xenophobic paranoid
> >> sentiment in India. Such moves need to be resisted in Pakistan exactly
> as
> >> much as they need to be criticised and resisted in India. The security
> and
> >> intelligence apparatus of both states function in an arbitrary and
> >> unaccountable manner that ultimately rebounds back on the common people
> of
> >> both countries. It is time, that in both India, and in Pakistan, we saw
> >> through this game.
> >>
> >>
> >> No one on this list has ever condoned terrorism in any form, whether it
> >> happens in India, Pakistan or anywhere else. We do not make light of
> >> terrorism. Those of us who ask questions about the nature of
> investigations
> >> done by security agencies , do so, not because we have some kind of
> >> pathological desire to create a climate of contempt regarding acts of
> >> terror, but because we are deeply concerned at the mounting numbers of
> lives
> >> that are lost to terror. We are not convinced that the arbitrary and
> >> un-professional manner in which these investigations are conducted, be
> they
> >> in India, or indeed, in Pakistan, are actually instrumental in achieving
> any
> >> results. We are not convinced that  the conduct of the investigative
> >> agencies betrays a fidelity to the need for getting to the actual
> culprits.
> >>
> >>
> >> The reasons for our skepticism lie in the statements that are made by
> the
> >> invesitgative agencies, and the discrepancies and inconsistencies in
> them,
> >> and in the lackadaisical manner in which the pursuit of the sources of
> >> terror in all cases is conducted. They make an utter mockery of
> professional
> >> standards, be they forensic, or legal.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are really interested in combatting terrorism, you will need to
> do
> >> more than laugh the next time a lot of people lose their lives,
> >>
> >>
> >> Shuddha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  On 22-Sep-08, at 11:26 AM, rashneek kher wrote:
> >>
> >>  Dear Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >> A news agency called Sarai Express has just reported that the Marriot
> >>
> >> Bombing is a handiwork of Majrang Dal and Billi Police.The investigating
> >>
> >> team comprising of crime journalists,forensic experts,explosive experts
> and
> >>
> >> cyber intelligence team of the agency has reported a conversation
> between
> >>
> >> Talvin Pogadia(hiding in Kajaur) and Bhaliwal(hiding in the North
> Zaristan)
> >>
> >> congratulating each other after the blasts.
> >>
> >> While still on crime they have unearthed how the Delhi bombings was also
> a
> >>
> >> handiwork of the Sikh Nationalist force of Afghanistan and Hindu
> Terrorists
> >>
> >> of Pakistan.They have also brought to light how terrorists of both
> groups
> >>
> >> were trained in Kafirkot.
> >>
> >> This news sheds new light on how IM and SIMI(both harmless family
> >>
> >> planning and welfare organisations)were wrongfully being targetted by
> the
> >>
> >> Indian Agencies.
> >>
> >>
> >> (SARAI)
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rashneek Kher
> >>
> >> Wandhama Massacre-The Forgotten Human Tragedy
> >>
> >> http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
> >>
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> >>  Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> >>
> >> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> >>
> >> Raqs Media Collective
> >>
> >> shuddha at sarai.net
> >>
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> sukanya ghosh / +91 9831306925
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