[Reader-list] Please stop!!! Response to the ongoing discussion on the Delhi Encounter
Santhosh Peethala
sannrach at gmail.com
Tue Sep 23 19:47:30 IST 2008
Dear Friends,
This list or atleast this discussion shows how "uncivil" we all can become.
It reminds me of something Ralf Dahrendorf and Don Eberly had to say in 1997
and 2000. Ralf Dahrendorf is a German-British sociologist, philosopher and
political scientist. While Don Eberly is an internationally noted author,
civic entrepreneur and advocate for civil society and private philanthropy.
I quote verbatim from page 2 of the book, Reviving Democracy: Citizens at
the Heart of Governance, written by Rajesh Tandon, Barry Knight and Hope
Chigudu, publshed by Earthscan in 2002. This book is an effort of research
from all over the globe. In India, the research was carried out by the
Society for Participatory Research in Asia (PRIA) - non-governmental,
non-profit organization working in the field of governance, occupational
health, global networking and other related areas in India. Now an
International Centre for Learning and Promotion of Democratic Governance.
One of the members of the eminent persons support group for this research
was Ms Ela Remesh Bhatt-the founder of Self Employed Women's Association.
"Ralf Dahrendorf (1997) suggests that there are three components of a good
society: prosperity, civility and liberty. He indicates that you can have
any two of these forces, but not all three. The world since 1989 has been
driven by two for these forces-prosperity and liberty. The casualty has
been civility. Social cohesion has declined. Witness the growing anxieties
about the health of social institutions, the decline of family, reduction in
social capital, the absence of consensus on unifying moral principles and
the disappearance of voluntary associations (Eberly, 2000).
I hope we address these failings in India and elsewhere rather
than...........
Thank you.
With best regards,
Sanjeev
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:26 PM, <reader-list-request at sarai.net> wrote:
> Send reader-list mailing list submissions to
> reader-list at sarai.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> reader-list-request at sarai.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> reader-list-owner at sarai.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of reader-list digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy family hospital
> (Javed)
> 2. Re: Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> familyhospital (radhikarajen at vsnl.net)
> 3. Re: Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> familyhospital (Pawan Durani)
> 4. Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of 'heart-attack':
> doctors (Nazneen Anand Shamsi)
> 5. Rage, Rage Against (Rohan DSouza)
> 6. Re: Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy family
> hospital (Vedavati Jogi)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:14:21 +0530
> From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> family hospital
> To: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID:
> <fc87bbf20809230344j6155400nf1248c7f7d3ca5f0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of 'heart-attack': doctors
>
> New Delhi, Sep 21 (PTI) Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector Mohan
> Chand Sharma, died of "heart-attack" as a result of excessive bleeding
> after being shot "twice" during the Jamia Nagar encounter with
> suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists on Friday, hospital sources
> said today. "Analysis of reports given by Holy Family Hospital and our
> initial findings points out that the officer died of heart attack
> arising out of excessive blood loss," a senior doctor said.
> The sources said no bullets were found in the body, clearly indicating
> that "the shots were fired from a very close range." According to
> doctors, there was an initial X-ray done on Sharma soon after he was
> brought to the Holy Family hospital which did not reveal any bullets
> lodged in the body.
>
> "During our post-moterm too, we have not found any bullets," they said.
>
> Doctors say that since Sharma who was part of "Dirty Harry Squad" of
> the Special Cell had four gun-shot injuries on his body, "in all
> probability, he was hit by just two bullets which pierced through the
> body." As per the medical bulletin of the Holy Family hospital, the
> officer had received injuries on his left shoulder, left upper arm,
> left upper abdomen and right hip.
>
> When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter
> and exit, a senior doctor said, "Study of the passage of bullets show
> that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the
> left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.
>
> "At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit
> points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also." PTI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:39:11 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> familyhospital
> To: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Cc: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID: <e439b455dac7.48d91baf at vsnl.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> your headline reflects the mindset of misinformation indeed. Never learn to
> correct oneself, but correct others.!
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:14 pm
> Subject: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> familyhospital
> To: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> > Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of 'heart-attack': doctors
> >
> > New Delhi, Sep 21 (PTI) Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector Mohan
> > Chand Sharma, died of "heart-attack" as a result of excessive bleeding
> > after being shot "twice" during the Jamia Nagar encounter with
> > suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists on Friday, hospital sources
> > said today. "Analysis of reports given by Holy Family Hospital and our
> > initial findings points out that the officer died of heart attack
> > arising out of excessive blood loss," a senior doctor said.
> > The sources said no bullets were found in the body, clearly indicating
> > that "the shots were fired from a very close range." According to
> > doctors, there was an initial X-ray done on Sharma soon after he was
> > brought to the Holy Family hospital which did not reveal any bullets
> > lodged in the body.
> >
> > "During our post-moterm too, we have not found any bullets," they
> > said.
> > Doctors say that since Sharma who was part of "Dirty Harry Squad" of
> > the Special Cell had four gun-shot injuries on his body, "in all
> > probability, he was hit by just two bullets which pierced through the
> > body." As per the medical bulletin of the Holy Family hospital, the
> > officer had received injuries on his left shoulder, left upper arm,
> > left upper abdomen and right hip.
> >
> > When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter
> > and exit, a senior doctor said, "Study of the passage of bullets show
> > that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the
> > left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.
> >
> > "At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit
> > points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also." PTI
> > _________________________________________
> > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > Critiques & Collaborations
> > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> > subscribe in the subject header.
> > To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-
> > list
> > List archive: <https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:15:38 +0530
> From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> familyhospital
> To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Cc: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID:
> <6b79f1a70809230445g7f9c6d87sc311715de3810c97 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Shame ! How the subject line & Intentions are misleading . Wonder why no
> one
> is reacting in the SARAI EXPRESS !
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:14 pm
> > Subject: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> > familyhospital
> > To: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >
> > > Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of 'heart-attack': doctors
> > >
> > > New Delhi, Sep 21 (PTI) Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector Mohan
> > > Chand Sharma, died of "heart-attack" as a result of excessive bleeding
> > > after being shot "twice" during the Jamia Nagar encounter with
> > > suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists on Friday, hospital sources
> > > said today. "Analysis of reports given by Holy Family Hospital and our
> > > initial findings points out that the officer died of heart attack
> > > arising out of excessive blood loss," a senior doctor said.
> > > The sources said no bullets were found in the body, clearly indicating
> > > that "the shots were fired from a very close range." According to
> > > doctors, there was an initial X-ray done on Sharma soon after he was
> > > brought to the Holy Family hospital which did not reveal any bullets
> > > lodged in the body.
> > >
> > > "During our post-moterm too, we have not found any bullets," they
> > > said.
> > > Doctors say that since Sharma who was part of "Dirty Harry Squad" of
> > > the Special Cell had four gun-shot injuries on his body, "in all
> > > probability, he was hit by just two bullets which pierced through the
> > > body." As per the medical bulletin of the Holy Family hospital, the
> > > officer had received injuries on his left shoulder, left upper arm,
> > > left upper abdomen and right hip.
> > >
> > > When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter
> > > and exit, a senior doctor said, "Study of the passage of bullets show
> > > that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the
> > > left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.
> > >
> > > "At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit
> > > points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also." PTI
> > > _________________________________________
> > > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > > Critiques & Collaborations
> > > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> > > subscribe in the subject header.
> > > To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-
> > > list
> > > List archive: <https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> > _________________________________________
> > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > Critiques & Collaborations
> > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> > subscribe in the subject header.
> > To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> > List archive: <https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:51:47 +0100
> From: "Nazneen Anand Shamsi" <nazoshmasi at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of
> 'heart-attack': doctors
> To: SARAI <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID:
> <169ff67c0809230451n22343f5peaa0019aeb4644b2 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Howz that brother!
>
> Satisfied.
>
> Truth as it is!
>
> Cheers
>
> Nazo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> New Delhi, Sep 21 (PTI) Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector Mohan
> Chand Sharma, died of "heart-attack" as a result of excessive bleeding
> after being shot "twice" during the Jamia Nagar encounter with
> suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists on Friday, hospital sources
> said today. "Analysis of reports given by Holy Family Hospital and our
> initial findings points out that the officer died of heart attack
> arising out of excessive blood loss," a senior doctor said.
> The sources said no bullets were found in the body, clearly indicating
> that "the shots were fired from a very close range." According to
> doctors, there was an initial X-ray done on Sharma soon after he was
> brought to the Holy Family hospital which did not reveal any bullets
> lodged in the body.
>
> "During our post-moterm too, we have not found any bullets," they said.
>
> Doctors say that since Sharma who was part of "Dirty Harry Squad" of
> the Special Cell had four gun-shot injuries on his body, "in all
> probability, he was hit by just two bullets which pierced through the
> body." As per the medical bulletin of the Holy Family hospital, the
> officer had received injuries on his left shoulder, left upper arm,
> left upper abdomen and right hip.
>
> When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter
> and exit, a senior doctor said, "Study of the passage of bullets show
> that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the
> left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.
>
> "At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit
> points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also." PTI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:23:35 +0530
> From: "Rohan DSouza" <virtuallyme at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Rage, Rage Against
> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> Message-ID:
> <79e82f610809230453q850ecfbm1634ad5607da7dfc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1252"
>
> Dear All,
>
> I came across this article in Tehelka, which talks about rock musicians in
> Pakistan using music as a medium of protest, comment on the state of
> society
> in Pakistan. Corrupt politicans, the military, dictators, music condemning
> mullahs are the focus of the satirical lyrics as well as videos. This is an
> interesting trend, where rock musicians are not only making such music but
> are not being subjected to bans. This wasnt the case till few years ago,
> when the band Junoon, faced the ire of the establishment and the clergy,
> when they sang their sufi tinged rock.
>
> Music as satire, protest being created and being tolerated, perhaps a
> reflection of the changes happening in Pakistani society?
>
> Regards,
> Rohan
>
> http://tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=hub270908Rage-RageAgainst.asp
>
> *Rage, Rage Against*
>
> *ROHINI MOHAN** discovers that young, angry bands in Pakistan are taking on
> the establishment through cutting satire and poetry*
>
> RUNNING ABOUT the streets of Lahore with a guitar in his hands, Shahzad Roy
> finds a lawyer trying clumsily to set a tyre on fire, a disaster
> rescue-volunteer pinching a mobile phone from a victim's pocket, and an
> American agent lurking in alleys muttering sinister things into a
> walkie-talkie. Pakistan's most recent protest song video, Laga Reh (Keep At
> It), is a dizzying frenzy of lying politicians, silly TV reporters and Asif
> Ali Zardari look-a-likes. It's a song about almost everything Pakistan has
> come to symbolise, everything the common Pakistani is weary of.
>
> A pop star for a decade in Pakistan, Roy, who is travelling to Mumbai soon
> and hopes to perform in India, never noticed such scenes before and, even
> if
> he did, he still sang about a saali who rejected his advances (Saali Tu
> Maani Nahin) and a pretty face he couldn't get out of his head (Teri
> Soorat). "I wanted to sing about everyday things," he says. But soon he
> realised that the anxiety of a jilted lover may not be Pakistan's everyday
> thing.
>
> "When I was 10 years old," says Roy, "I heard a news anchor say that
> Pakistan was going through a sensitive time. I'm 31 now, and a news anchor
> again said the same thing. When are things going to change?" In the music
> video, a balding gentleman looks up from a newspaper, shaking his head in
> rhetorical resignation: how is this country going to handle things? Singing
> stops, percussions freeze, and Roy winks at the camera: "I really hope not
> like it's been handling them so far!" He's frazzled when a mob attacks a
> lone man, but his balding friend advises him to look heavenwards, and leave
> all the tensions of the mulk to Allah. Roy throws up his hands, "Kuch na
> kar
> tu / Sab kuch Allah pe chod de / Allah hi tera hafiz hai" (Sit around,
> leave
> it all for Allah to fix).
>
> The video is blasphemous, sarcastic and finds a punchline in everything.
> Especially when a Zardari looka- like chuckles slimily at the sleeping
> masses: "Inko jagana math, yeh kisi zaroori kaam se so rahen hain" (Don't
> wake them, they're very busy sleeping). Not surprisingly, the video just
> missed being banned. However, Roy confesses his video sponsor pulled out at
> the last minute, when he refused to remove some potentially explosive
> lines.
> "If I took out the Allah and American agent scenes, what would be left?"
>
> A hot potato for any Pakistani music channel, Laga Reh is more alive on the
> Internet, the preferred lair of a host of protest bands today. "It is
> nearly
> impossible to censor material on the Internet," says Taimur Rehman, a
> political science teacher in Lahore who created the band Laal with his
> student Shahram Azhar. For seven years, they sang their anthem, Maine Usse
> Yeh Kaha (This is what I told him), to small working-class gatherings, and
> when Pervez Musharraf imposed the Emergency in 2007, they uploaded a video
> on YouTube. A stirring rendition of writer Habib Jalib's poem, Masheer
> (Advisor), the song is a satirical statement on the advisors that surround
> military dictators. Azhar points out that Habib Jalib might have written it
> in the 1960s, against the then dictator Ayub Khan, "but every word seemed
> relevant 40 years later, during Musharraf and the 2007 Emergency". The
> video
> uses footage of Benazir Bhutto's assassination, shocked and angry young
> boys
> setting cars on fire, and the long overdue general elections on February
> 18,
> 2008.
>
> "Most bands perform an occasional political song," says composer and
> guitarist Rehman, "but we have yet to decide whether we want to play an
> occasional love song." A self-confessed Marxist, music for Rehman is
> another
> vehicle by which to convey progressive, democratic and socialist ideas. He
> would often take his guitar to class in the Lahore University of Management
> Studies, and found that one of his students, Azhar, had "the most trained
> voice I'd heard in a long time." Azhar, who signs off his emails "Comradely
> yours", fumes feverishly about the past 60 years of people being flogged on
> roads, robbed of their basic rights. A line in the song goes: "Apne kharch
> par hain kaid log is samaaj me" (loosely translated: People are paying for
> their own imprisonment). It's an attempt to revitalise revolutionary
> poetry,
> the instigations for which are, unfortunately, still around. Their new
> album
> has three songs on Indo-Pak relations, and lyrics from a more contemporary
> poet — Aitzaz Ahsan, who played a key role in bringing down Musharraf's
> military government through the lawyers' movement.
>
> When it's not scathing political comment, it's a loud jeering of Gilani the
> Groper. Punk rockers Noble Drew do a nudge-nudge number called Thaleon Vi
> Chimro (Grind It Down) about Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's hand
> casually and repeatedly brushing Information Minister Sherry Rehman's
> breasts quite openly at a Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) rally. Basim Usmani,
> lead vocalist and erstwhile sporter of a purple mohawk, explains that the
> song is a place to jot down a country's frustrations, whether with
> repressed
> sexuality or with "the same landlords and thieves running for the same
> elections — more hair on their scalps and policies".
>
> Usmani was born in New York and met guitarist Shahjehan, a childhood buddy,
> through the Mosque Committee in Massachusetts, where both their fathers
> taught. They rocked in a punk band called The Kominas in New York before
> they decided to fly back to Lahore, learn some Punjabi, and record more
> homegrown songs. Noble Drew sings in Punjabi, a language they feel has been
> disregarded in favour of Urdu because of "classicism and snobbery." Usmani
> also decided to pursue journalism as a reporter at an Urdu TV channel, to
> "get deeper into Lahore."
>
> Noble Drew drummer Mamoon Rashid admits that if the establishment catches
> on
> to the increase in protest songs, they may be shut down. But, as Laal's
> Rahman says, Pakistan is perhaps in its most democratic period. "Musical
> dissent is so popular now that it would be difficult, dare I say
> impossible,
> to quell it." When news channel Geo TV received word that it would go off
> air during the Emergency, they played Maine Usse Yeh Kaha in a promo video
> for several days. Azhar points out that by endorsing protest music, common
> Pakistanis are saying, "Enough! We're democratic, we're secular, and we
> don't want the mullahs and the military to represent us anymore."
>
> Pakistan has long been fighting off the image of orthodoxy. Since 9/11,
> there is more suspicion in Western eyes, and sweeping generalisations of
> murderous intent. Yeh Hum Naheen (This is Not Us) began as an
> anti-terrorism
> campaign in late 2006, and culminated a year later in a collaborative song
> featuring seven contemporary musicians in Pakistan. The campaign website
> says it's a message from misrepresented Muslims, who are saddened by the
> "hijacking of Islam by terrorists". The video, again, closes in on faces of
> leaders — hated and loved. Rickshaw- pullers, officegoers, school-kids, all
> sing, yeh hum naheen. In these protest songs, every word has a
> socio-political refrain. Noble Drew members may call themselves "lafangas",
> but they cannot but be affected by war and murder in their neighbourhood.
>
> "It's become impossible not to address what it means to be Pakistani," says
> Usmani, citing how even Ali Azmat (a former member of band Junoon), who
> writes party music, has put Kalashnikovs on his album cover.
>
> Laal's Azhar lays it down simply: "The military says we shouldn't speak up.
> So we pick the most blazing, rousing poetry. The mullahs say music is
> haraam. So we make music our medium of protest." •
>
> *From Tehelka Magazine, Vol 5, Issue 38, Dated Sept 27, 2008*
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:20:08 +0530 (IST)
> From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy
> family hospital
> To: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Message-ID: <352568.71003.qm at web94713.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> what are you intending to suggest?
>
> was it a fake encounter? is it possible to carry it out openly, in the
> presence of media?
>
> vedavati
>
> --- On Tue, 23/9/08, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Inspector Sharma died of heart attack: Holy family
> hospital
> To: "SARAI" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008, 6:44 PM
>
> Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector died of 'heart-attack': doctors
>
> New Delhi, Sep 21 (PTI) Delhi Police Special Cell Inspector Mohan
> Chand Sharma, died of "heart-attack" as a result of excessive
> bleeding
> after being shot "twice" during the Jamia Nagar encounter with
> suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists on Friday, hospital sources
> said today. "Analysis of reports given by Holy Family Hospital and our
> initial findings points out that the officer died of heart attack
> arising out of excessive blood loss," a senior doctor said.
> The sources said no bullets were found in the body, clearly indicating
> that "the shots were fired from a very close range." According to
> doctors, there was an initial X-ray done on Sharma soon after he was
> brought to the Holy Family hospital which did not reveal any bullets
> lodged in the body.
>
> "During our post-moterm too, we have not found any bullets," they
> said.
>
> Doctors say that since Sharma who was part of "Dirty Harry Squad" of
> the Special Cell had four gun-shot injuries on his body, "in all
> probability, he was hit by just two bullets which pierced through the
> body." As per the medical bulletin of the Holy Family hospital, the
> officer had received injuries on his left shoulder, left upper arm,
> left upper abdomen and right hip.
>
> When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter
> and exit, a senior doctor said, "Study of the passage of bullets show
> that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the
> left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.
>
> "At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit
> points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also." PTI
> _________________________________________
> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> Critiques & Collaborations
> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> subscribe in
> the subject header.
> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> List archive: <https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>
>
> Get an email ID as yourname at ymail.com or yourname at rocketmail.com.
> Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> reader-list mailing list
> reader-list at sarai.net
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>
>
> End of reader-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 172
> ********************************************
>
--
Sanjeev Peethala
More information about the reader-list
mailing list