[Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini" Pamphlet

Tue Sep 23 23:14:25 IST 2008

thanks pawan ji  for forwarding the pamphlet contents....

for me these are metaphors, only half educated person will take these
details of these characters as real. The illiterate and poor Hindus of
India are simple believers.  People  who know how to manipulate these
simple folks are concerned with their personal gains, just their axe
to grind.

Metaphors:- for example,  Veda Vyasa  of Mahabarata was grand father
of both warring factions of the final great war. The epic is such that
if we dont remember who is legitimate and who is illegitimate , the
war itself becomes meaningless. So, the moment we realize there is
nothing called legitimate or illegitimate we  resolve the conflict,
which was fought fo good against bad.

Hindu epics are in fact full of such fantastic ways of coming to life.
Everybody knows. For example Ganesha was created by Paravati from the
dirt of her own body, even when Lord Shiva, her husband was not
around.. But this will never enrage the Hindu mind, because Parvati is
Shakti and she is fully equipped to bring anything to life on her own.
It is quite similar to Jesus coming to life from Mary surrounded by
domestic animals only,  No fuss. But if someone  will point out that
Rama's father was believer of  polygamy, it might look offensive to
some of Hindus.  It all depends who is saying and who is listening.

A prostitute is a woman like any other respectable woman, like an
illegitimate child, who is as respectable as any other child.

 I am conscious about the fact that you will demand to speak freely on
other religious characters as well,  but that might be not be easy
because some of  the believers blend history and faith too intensely.
I see no gain in that, but that becomes a dangerous zone to enter,
unless one has a deep creative urge to take the bull by horns. choice
is yours.

Efforts by some fanatic hindus to mix fantasy of the epics with
temporality will bear no fruits in the end. India has a deep
past...good to feel.

with love
is

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
<mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> I think it is not enough to merely condemn "both acts" and thus equate them.
>
> I think what is required is the rule of law - the writers of this
> pamphlet may be charged with the laws against spreading communal
> disharmony; indeed someone could have gone to court, arguing for a ban
> on the public distribution of such pamphlets. The writers and
> publishers could have defended the charge or pleaded guilty. The court
> could have decided the issue according to the law of the land laid
> down by the Constitution of India.
>
> Instead, the "offended" parties chose to take the law in their own
> hands, and deserve to be tried in a court of law irrespective of what
> the provocation was. Whether or not you and I condemn either or both
> acts is irrelevant. It is important that the law take its own course,
> be allowed to take its own course, that those guilty of violating the
> law be brought to book. It is this process of justice delivery that we
> must all demand, not just mere issuance of condemnations. Bringing the
> guilty to book would also send out a message to all kinds of fanatics
> that India is not a Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Sikh or Buddhist
> country. It is a democratic, secular republic.
>
> best
> shivam
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The pamphlet which caused attacks on churches had the following contents.
>> Personally i condemn both what was written on the pamphlet as well as
>> attacks on the churches, as that is not what is the answer to a nonsense in
>> a educated society.
>> However the people who incited this through distribution of pamphlets need
>> to be condemned , for being the reason to cause all
>> this unpleasant situation
>>
>> ************************************************************************************************************************************************************
>>
>> Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute.  Vashitha
>> is the son of this prostitute.  He in turn married his own Mother.  Such a
>> degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
>>
>> *buse no. 2: Wh**en Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how
>> can he enlighten others?  Since  **Krishna** himself is a shady character,
>> there is a need for us to  liberate his misled followers. (page 50)*
>>
>> Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita.  Since Brahma, Vishnu
>> and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them
>> as Gods. (page 39)
>>
>> Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are
>> consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others.  Their projection
>> as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
>>
>> buse No.5:  Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so.  How
>> can such a "evil brahma" be a Creator of this Universe?  How is it possible
>> for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods?  (page
>> 39)
>>
>> *Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of **India** who are
>> worshipping False Gods  that believe in the pleasures of  illicit
>> 'Vyabichari' relationships. (Page 39).*
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