[Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini" Pamphlet

Tue Sep 23 23:19:11 IST 2008

Here comes INDER TICKOO aka SALIM again...

On 9/23/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thanks pawan ji  for forwarding the pamphlet contents....
>
> for me these are metaphors, only half educated person will take these
> details of these characters as real. The illiterate and poor Hindus of
> India are simple believers.  People  who know how to manipulate these
> simple folks are concerned with their personal gains, just their axe
> to grind.
>
> Metaphors:- for example,  Veda Vyasa  of Mahabarata was grand father
> of both warring factions of the final great war. The epic is such that
> if we dont remember who is legitimate and who is illegitimate , the
> war itself becomes meaningless. So, the moment we realize there is
> nothing called legitimate or illegitimate we  resolve the conflict,
> which was fought fo good against bad.
>
> Hindu epics are in fact full of such fantastic ways of coming to life.
> Everybody knows. For example Ganesha was created by Paravati from the
> dirt of her own body, even when Lord Shiva, her husband was not
> around.. But this will never enrage the Hindu mind, because Parvati is
> Shakti and she is fully equipped to bring anything to life on her own.
> It is quite similar to Jesus coming to life from Mary surrounded by
> domestic animals only,  No fuss. But if someone  will point out that
> Rama's father was believer of  polygamy, it might look offensive to
> some of Hindus.  It all depends who is saying and who is listening.
>
> A prostitute is a woman like any other respectable woman, like an
> illegitimate child, who is as respectable as any other child.
>
>   I am conscious about the fact that you will demand to speak freely on
> other religious characters as well,  but that might be not be easy
> because some of  the believers blend history and faith too intensely.
> I see no gain in that, but that becomes a dangerous zone to enter,
> unless one has a deep creative urge to take the bull by horns. choice
> is yours.
>
> Efforts by some fanatic hindus to mix fantasy of the epics with
> temporality will bear no fruits in the end. India has a deep
> past...good to feel.
>
>
> with love
> is
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> > I think it is not enough to merely condemn "both acts" and thus equate
> them.
> >
> > I think what is required is the rule of law - the writers of this
> > pamphlet may be charged with the laws against spreading communal
> > disharmony; indeed someone could have gone to court, arguing for a ban
> > on the public distribution of such pamphlets. The writers and
> > publishers could have defended the charge or pleaded guilty. The court
> > could have decided the issue according to the law of the land laid
> > down by the Constitution of India.
> >
> > Instead, the "offended" parties chose to take the law in their own
> > hands, and deserve to be tried in a court of law irrespective of what
> > the provocation was. Whether or not you and I condemn either or both
> > acts is irrelevant. It is important that the law take its own course,
> > be allowed to take its own course, that those guilty of violating the
> > law be brought to book. It is this process of justice delivery that we
> > must all demand, not just mere issuance of condemnations. Bringing the
> > guilty to book would also send out a message to all kinds of fanatics
> > that India is not a Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Sikh or Buddhist
> > country. It is a democratic, secular republic.
> >
> > best
> > shivam
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> The pamphlet which caused attacks on churches had the following
> contents.
> >> Personally i condemn both what was written on the pamphlet as well as
> >> attacks on the churches, as that is not what is the answer to a nonsense
> in
> >> a educated society.
> >> However the people who incited this through distribution of pamphlets
> need
> >> to be condemned , for being the reason to cause all
> >> this unpleasant situation
> >>
> >>
> ************************************************************************************************************************************************************
> >>
> >> Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a
> prostitute.  Vashitha
> >> is the son of this prostitute.  He in turn married his own Mother.  Such
> a
> >> degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
> >>
> >> *buse no. 2: Wh**en Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell,
> how
> >> can he enlighten others?  Since  **Krishna** himself is a shady
> character,
> >> there is a need for us to  liberate his misled followers. (page 50)*
> >>
> >> Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita.  Since Brahma,
> Vishnu
> >> and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider
> them
> >> as Gods. (page 39)
> >>
> >> Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are
> >> consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others.  Their
> projection
> >> as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
> >>
> >> buse No.5:  Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did
> so.  How
> >> can such a "evil brahma" be a Creator of this Universe?  How is it
> possible
> >> for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be
> gods?  (page
> >> 39)
> >>
> >> *Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of **India** who
> are
> >> worshipping False Gods  that believe in the pleasures of  illicit
> >> 'Vyabichari' relationships. (Page 39).*
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