[Reader-list] Communism and Terrorism: Are They Complimentary

Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com
Sat Sep 27 18:31:18 IST 2008 

Hi Pawan,

a)   The references quoted by the author are obviously interesting
      since 8 out 0f 10 references are his own articles, one a wikepedia
      definition and one a BBC link to historical figures. Find it hard to
      believe you consider them as "giving credibility to the subject".

b)   The article claims "In Nepal, Maoists made headway and paralyzed
       the government. It succeeded in coming to some terms with the other
       parties and formed a government. Nepal being a very small country
       with little resources, Maoists could create havoc in the country.
Their
       terrorist actions were successful although they claim it as a
liberation
       movement from the feudal princely rule."
       However, am sure that all of us saw the general populace rejoicing on
       the streets on the removal of the Royal Family. And I have Nepalese
       friends here who are just as happy.

c)    Since there is a reason behind the post, why not come out and say it,
       so that we can debate the point you are wishing to bring up.

Rgds, Partha
.........................................

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Javed,
> Thanks for the clarification. However I did find many paras in the said
> article worth debating or you may say comparing with the reality.
> The references quoted by the author are also interesting, which seems to be
> giving credibility to the subject.
>
> Pawan
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pawan
> > When you send a link or forward with a title such as "are terrorism,
> > communism complimentary" to this list, you know very well that this is
> > going to provoke people here. So you have to ready to face a reaction.
> > Either you say that you don't agree with this article, but you are
> > still forwarding it here to generate a debate. Or don't forward at
> > all.
> >
> > I was simply trying to see to who all fits into this definition of
> > terrorism - the article doesn't specifically talk about Islam - it
> > simply compares terrorism with communism. And I think saffron terror
> > is as terrible as Islamic terror. I personally don't connect them to
> > communism at all - to me your forwarded essay is rather stupid. So I
> > was only adding to its stupidity by connecting it to Bajrang Dal.
> >
> > peace
> >
> > JM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Javed,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope you do understand that when I paste a link and the article with
> > it,
> > > it takes you to a web site and its author. To put it simply the article
> > is
> > > not mine and I was just sharing an interesting article with the group.
> I
> > may
> > > or may not myself agree with the article.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your bringing in Bajrang Dal etc in this article speaks volumes of your
> > > obsession to compare it with anything, relevant or not.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please think well before you sent a condemnatory note to either me or
> > group.
> > > It should make sense.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you do not agree , post your response to the concerned website or
> its
> > > author  else you may have a general discussion. With a group.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > God Bless
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Pawan Durrani
> > >> I went through all your definitions of terrorism, and there is no
> > >> definition which should not be applied to the activities of Bajrang
> > >> Dal and allies in Orissa, Karnataka, and earlier in Gujarat. Did
> > >> Bajrang Dal has its origins in USSR?
> > >>
> > >> Your offstumped should now say that Bajrang Dal was also started from
> > >> countercurrents and thehoot.org
> > >>
> > >> JM
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > http://faithcommons.org/communism_and_terrorism_are_they_complimentary
> > >> >
> > >> > Communism and Terrorism: Are They Complimentary?  : Prof Dr Colonel
> > >> > (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao
> > >> >
> > >> > The world has witnessed and is still witnessing the horrors of
> > Communism
> > >> > and
> > >> > is at present in the grip of terrorism too. In fact terrorism is age
> > old
> > >> > and
> > >> > existed in all centuries and in all parts of the world in some form
> or
> > >> > other. Terrorism in the modern sense is
> > >> > violence<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence> or
> > >> > other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians for
> > >> > political
> > >> > or other ideological goals. Most definitions of
> > >> > terrorism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism>
> > >> > include
> > >> > only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are
> > >> > perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack),
> and
> > >> > deliberately target or disregard the safety of
> > >> > non-combatants<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-combatants>
> > >> > .
> > >> >
> > >> > Many definitions also include only acts of
> > >> > unlawful<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful> violence.
> > >> > As a form of unconventional
> > >> > warfare<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare>,
> > >> > terrorism is sometimes used when attempting to force political
> change
> > by
> > >> > convincing a government or population to agree to demands to avoid
> > >> > future
> > >> > harm or fear of harm, destabilizing an existing government,
> motivating
> > a
> > >> > disgruntled population <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residents> to
> > join
> > >> > an
> > >> > uprising <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion>, escalating a
> > conflict
> > >> > in
> > >> > the hopes of disrupting the status
> > >> > quo<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo>,
> > >> > expressing a grievance, or drawing attention to a cause (1).
> > >> >
> > >> > According to Walter Laqueur of the Center for Strategic and
> > >> > International
> > >> >
> > >> > Studies<
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies
> > >,
> > >> > "*the only general characteristic of terrorism generally agreed upon
> > is
> > >> > that
> > >> > terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence."*
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Terrorism revolves around following:
> > >> >
> > >> >   1.
> > >> >
> > >> >   *Political purpose,*
> > >> >   2.
> > >> >
> > >> >   *Disguise*
> > >> >   3.
> > >> >
> > >> >   *Psychological impact*
> > >> >   4.
> > >> >
> > >> >   *Violence*
> > >> >   5.
> > >> >
> > >> >   *Wanton killings*
> > >> >
> > >> > Most of the terrorist acts are the results of political unhappiness,
> > >> > frustrations and are aimed at achieving some desired changes,
> > >> > destabilization and drawing attention too. These acts are conducted
> > when
> > >> > the
> > >> > aggrieved party has no strength, militarily and financially and can
> > not
> > >> > take
> > >> > up open hostilities. The acts are conducted to create panic and fear
> > and
> > >> > psychological impact in the minds of people and the government too.
> > >> > Invariably Terrorists do not identify themselves as military men.
> Many
> > >> > acts
> > >> > are done in the garb of civilians. Repress ional acts by armed
> forces
> > of
> > >> > a
> > >> > country go unnoticed and are not dubbed s terrorism. Mass murders of
> > >> > Jews in
> > >> > concentration camps by Nazi Army are not considered as Terrorism.
> Thus
> > >> > the
> > >> > real definition of terrorism eludes. Lankan Tigers of Tamil Elam
> > (LTTE)
> > >> > is
> > >> > waging guerilla war for liberation from Srilanka. Their operations
> can
> > >> > be
> > >> > viewed as acts of Terrorism akin to Palestine conflict while their
> > >> > sympathizers consider them freedom fighters that are waging war of
> > >> > liberation. LTTE killed Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi at Madras
> > by
> > >> > engineering a suicide bomb as revenge for interfering in their
> > struggle
> > >> > by
> > >> > sending peace keeping force that got involved in fighting. Suicide
> > >> > bombers
> > >> > are clad in civilian attire, mix with general public and blow
> > themselves
> > >> > as
> > >> > planned causing panic and deaths of innocents around. In all acts of
> > >> > terrorism violence is essential. Without violence the acts have no
> > >> > impact.
> > >> > Invariably a small numbers of terrorists hold large groups of people
> > of
> > >> > various nations to a ransom by their unlawful acts.
> > >> >
> > >> > Does communism has something to do with terrorism and linked to it?
> > Yes,
> > >> > there is no doubt about it. Communism is based on totalitarian rule
> > and
> > >> > forced identification of its people with the will of the State which
> > has
> > >> > Marxist ideology (2). It is the dictatorship of proletariat. Civil
> > >> > liberties
> > >> > and fundamental rights are very greatly curtailed; rather do not
> exist
> > >> > in
> > >> > real sense*. Communist States believe in the philosophy of
> > >> > destabilization
> > >> > and undermining of democratic societies based on capitalist or mixed
> > >> > economies* (3) (4). Communism is the bitterest enemy of the
> capitalist
> > >> > societies. Communism thus aims at transforming the world to their
> line
> > >> > of
> > >> > thought and philosophy. A communist society can not be established
> by
> > >> > peaceful means and it aims at violence, mass uprising resulting in
> > mass
> > >> > murders and elimination of landed class. Terrorism as practiced by
> the
> > >> > present Islamic Wahabi School is too aiming to impose its thoughts
> on
> > >> > the
> > >> > other societies in the world. In this context Osama Bin Lindens
> recent
> > >> > recorded tape is an example in which the terrorist leader exhorted
> all
> > >> > Americans to embrace Islam if they have to escape from the terrorism
> > and
> > >> > persecution by Laden and his thugs. This is the blackmailing the
> > >> > Americans
> > >> > with ideology of Islam and terrorizing by the wanton and senseless
> > acts
> > >> > of
> > >> > destruction, mayhem and murder.
> > >> >
> > >> > Communists enforce their ideology within their states of influence
> by
> > >> > the
> > >> > use of military force and threat of detention; fear of execution,
> > >> > intimidation, imprisonment, harassment and by terror. The law is
> > >> > enforced by
> > >> > vigorous pursuit of judicial process (apology for judicial process)
> > and
> > >> > summary trials. The process is not comparable to that prevailing in
> > >> > democratic societies where it is long drawn, laborious and
> frustrating
> > >> > too.
> > >> > People's will is bull dozed under the might of state power. Killings
> > at
> > >> > Tienmien square in China during Cultural Revolution in sixties of
> last
> > >> > century is the proof for the state sponsored terror on own citizens.
> > >> > Stalin
> > >> > ruled USSR by terrorizing its people. He eliminated his opponents
> and
> > >> > critics ( 5).
> > >> >
> > >> > India and Nepal are the live examples to be quoted for communist
> > >> > sponsored
> > >> > terrorism. Communist party of India (CPI) was established in India
> > after
> > >> > Bolshevik revolution in Russia during last century and was allowed
> to
> > >> > continue after India gained independence. The stalwarts of
> > independence
> > >> > movement like Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime minister of India
> and
> > >> > others
> > >> > were obsessed with socialist form of society and rubbed shoulders
> with
> > >> > USSR.
> > >> > There was no question of banning Communist party in India. The fun
> is
> > >> > that
> > >> > in Pakistan its next door Communists have no place.CPI had good hold
> > in
> > >> > the
> > >> > Telangana region of former Hyderabad princely state under Mir Osman
> > Ali
> > >> > Khan
> > >> > Bahadur ( Brave) Fateh jung ( Victor of battles), Nizam ul mulk Asif
> > Jah
> > >> > 7,
> > >> > the seventh ruler of Asifjahi dynasty. CPI launched armed struggle
> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > State at the closing years of the state and murdered several land
> > lords
> > >> > and
> > >> > took up to terrorist actions. Once India gained independence, the
> > Nizam
> > >> > chose to be independent. His government committed grave atrocities
> on
> > >> > Hindu
> > >> > population in the State duly abetted by the Razakar (Volunteer)
> Armed
> > >> > force
> > >> > under the leadership of self styled Field Marshal Kasim Razvi of
> > Majlis
> > >> > Ittehad ul Muslimeen party (MIM). Countless Hindus were killed and
> > women
> > >> > were raped while children were butchered as the government looked
> > upon.
> > >> > The
> > >> > king became a puppet in the hands of Kasim Razvi who was amply
> > supported
> > >> > by
> > >> > Deen yar Jung, the chief of state police.
> > >> >
> > >> > Having no options, India after several warnings to Nizam conducted
> > >> > Military
> > >> > action (Infact called police action) against the State. Forces of
> > Indian
> > >> > union along with armor invaded Hyderabad State from four directions
> > and
> > >> > after brief resistance, Nizam surrendered on 18 Sept 1948. Several
> > >> > Razakars
> > >> > were killed in action along with State forces. Military government
> was
> > >> > established in Hyderabad under Major General Chaudhray and this
> > >> > government
> > >> > crushed the Communist cadres subsequently and established law and
> > order
> > >> > in
> > >> > the state. At last CPI withdrew its agitation and took part in first
> > >> > General
> > >> > elections held in 1950 (6). Consequently, CPI split on ideological
> > >> > grounds
> > >> > into Communist party Marxist (CPM) and Communist Party Marxist and
> > >> > Leninist
> > >> > (CPI (ML)). In West Bengal State at Naxalbari, Communists again rose
> > in
> > >> > revolt in 1968 and committed many crimes including mass killings and
> > >> > destruction of property and terrorist acts. The Armed communists
> again
> > >> > took
> > >> > up to terrorist activities and killings of land lords and
> destruction
> > of
> > >> > property in the agency areas of Parvateepuram in sri kakulam
> District
> > of
> > >> > Andhra Pradesh during 1969 and this was crushed ruthlessly by the
> > State
> > >> > government ( 7). The terrorist activities are still continuing in
> the
> > >> > state
> > >> > of Andhra Pradesh by the communists armed cadres and this activity
> has
> > >> > spread to the newly formed northern state Jahrkhand and Bihar too.
> It
> > >> > also
> > >> > has strong base in Orissa and Eastern Maharashtra States. The armed
> > >> > cadres
> > >> > of Communists are now called Maoists and they have made a link from
> > >> > Andhra
> > >> > Pradesh to Nepal along the Eastern corridor of Andhra Pradesh.
> Maoists
> > >> > have
> > >> > committed many terrorist acts in Jahrkhand by blowing up Police
> teams,
> > >> > convoys, police stations and committing mass murders of innocent
> > >> > civilians
> > >> > in the villages. The State property is destroyed such as telephone
> > >> > exchanges, railway stations and post offices. Some have also looted
> > >> > banks.
> > >> > Thus it is seen that in India in certain States Maoists are active
> and
> > >> > are
> > >> > resorting to violence, killings of police officers and leaders from
> > >> > village
> > >> > level to the members of legislature and even ministers. They want to
> > >> > create
> > >> > panic, fear and terror in the minds of people and in the government.
> > >> > Maoists
> > >> > are clinging to the outdated Maoist philosophy of Power flowing
> > through
> > >> > barrel of a gun. They also resort to killings of their own
> informers,
> > >> > suspected spies and betrayers. They are no different from
> terrorists.
> > >> > They
> > >> > claim political cause. Resort to violence, destruction of government
> > >> > property, indiscriminate killings, bombings and even suicide squads
> > >> > which
> > >> > are the basic actions of terrorists world wide (8) ( 9) (10).
> > >> >
> > >> > In Nepal, Maoists made headway and paralyzed the government. It
> > >> > succeeded in
> > >> > coming to some terms with the other parties and formed a government.
> > >> > Nepal
> > >> > being a very small country with little resources, Maoists could
> create
> > >> > havoc
> > >> > in the country. Their terrorist actions were successful although
> they
> > >> > claim
> > >> > it as a liberation movement from the feudal princely rule. Thus we
> see
> > >> > that
> > >> > Communism believes in terrorism to achieve its ends although they
> > claim
> > >> > their actions as Guerilla warfare. There is a very thin line between
> > >> > Guerilla war and terrorism and this line in fact has disappeared in
> > the
> > >> > modern days. Thus communists and terrorists can be considered
> > >> > complimentary
> > >> > in many aspects of consideration..
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Bibliography
> > >> >
> > >> > *1. Terrorism, Wikepedia*, *
> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#Official_definitions*
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Fascism and
> Communism*,
> > *
> > >> > www.faithcommons.org*, January 31, 2007, 09:04
> > >> >
> > >> > 3. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Leninism** and
> Marxism
> > >> > not
> > >> > yet dead. *New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Volume V, No.11,
> Oct
> > >> > 1992,
> > >> > PP 24-25. ,
> > >> >
> > >> > 4. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, Can* militancy succeed
> > in
> > >> > India?* New Swatantra times, Hyderabad, India, Volume VII, No 10,
> Oct
> > >> > 1994,
> > >> > PP 23-24
> > >> >
> > >> > 5. *Joseph Stalin, Historic figures*,
> > >> > http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:JzojhtNbYTEJ:www.bbc.co.uk
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> /history/historic_figures/stalin_joseph.shtml+joseph+Stalin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=in
> > >> >
> > >> > 6. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Pressures and
> prospects
> > >> > of
> > >> > communism in democratic India*, Ph D thesis in Political science,
> The
> > >> > International University, Independence, USA, 1988, PP
> > >> >
> > >> > 7. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Militants should join
> > the
> > >> > main stream*, New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, VolXI, No 1,
> Nov
> > >> > 1998,
> > >> > PP12and 15
> > >> >
> > >> > 8 Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao*. It is time the
> > Naxalites*
> > >> > and
> > >> > Govt turn to negotiating tables*, New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad,
> > India,
> > >> > VolXIII, No 1, Jan 2002, PP 37-38
> > >> >
> > >> > 9 Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Resume talks with
> > >> > Naxals**,
> > >> > New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Vol XIV, No 11, Nov 2003, PP
> > >> > 32-33
> > >> >
> > >> > 10. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao*. Should the
> Naxalites*
> > be
> > >> > banned? *New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Vol VII, No 2, June
> > >> > 1995, PP
> > >> > 32-33
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