[Reader-list] Communism Or Terrorism? -Kamala Sarup

[Pawan Durani]

What about the first line ? You like it ?

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>wrote:

> And I love the rest of the lines
>
> "Therefore, the other half of the approach for answering this question is
> that governments and their leaders must honor and respect their people as
> well. They can do this by publicly declaring the democratic freedoms (such
> as the freedoms of speech, press, and religion) that their countrymen
> possess and by transparently and consistently honoring these freedoms all
> the time. One way that governments may do this is by establishing and
> developing stable and fair legal and courts systems."
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ..............................
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes, I love the first line ""If people cannot honor and love their
>> country then their country cannot love them."
>> God Bless
>>
>> Pawan
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> "If people cannot honor and love their country then their country cannot
>>> love
>>> them. Therefore, the other half of the approach for answering this
>>> question
>>> is that governments and their leaders must honor and respect their people
>>> as
>>> well. They can do this by publicly declaring the democratic freedoms
>>> (such
>>> as the freedoms of speech, press, and religion) that their countrymen
>>> possess and by transparently and consistently honoring these freedoms all
>>> the time. One way that governments may do this is by establishing and
>>> developing stable and fair legal and courts systems."
>>>
>>> Just quoting the concluding para from the article you posted.
>>>
>>> Think about it.
>>>
>>> Rgds, Partha
>>> ...............................
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0504/S00099.htm
>>>>
>>>> Communism Or Terrorism?
>>>> By Kamala Sarup <http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0504/S00099.htm#a>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will define terrorism as "the murder of innocents", i.e.,
>>>> non-military,
>>>> non-police, and non-politicians. Thus defined, perhaps
>>>> communists/maoists in
>>>> some countries practice terrorism, e.g., Peru and Columbia, but not all.
>>>> I
>>>> don't associate the former Russian and East European brands of communism
>>>> with terrorism. The separatists in Ireland and Spain are terrorists, but
>>>> not
>>>> communists. Muslim terrorists are not communists, generally. Radical
>>>> Muslim
>>>> terrorists are not communists, generally. I don't see the connection
>>>> between
>>>> the two terms. But It is widely known that why communism meant in
>>>> practice
>>>> bloody terrorism and forced labor?.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, we have much evidence that a communist economic
>>>> system is
>>>> associated with an authoritarian government system, which means that a
>>>> government elite enhances its economic, judicial and political freedoms
>>>> and
>>>> suppresses those who are led by them. There is no theoretical reason for
>>>> communism to be associated with authoritarianism, but in fact it is and
>>>> has
>>>> always been that way. Democratic-communistic societies have always been
>>>> very
>>>> small and very short-lived, so I have no hope that one will ever exist
>>>> for
>>>> very long in the future anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> If the leaders (meaning the government) of countries promote education
>>>> and
>>>> values that emphasize national and international identification rather
>>>> than
>>>> ethnic, religious, tribal or clan identification, then the ethnic,
>>>> religious, tribal and clan conflicts will diminish, in the long run. If
>>>> they
>>>> promote sufficient economic, judicial and political equality, then the
>>>> people at the bottom of the ladder will not want to topple those at the
>>>> top.
>>>> The results of reducing conflict are that when people engage in
>>>> production
>>>> and art rather than war, then the killing and maiming are reduced and
>>>> the
>>>> general living standards are increased and people are more satisfied.
>>>> However, people are ignorant, aggressive and acquisitive, so some
>>>> conflict
>>>> will always remain.
>>>>
>>>> However, some internal conflict, including wars, will always exist in a
>>>> country. If we study U.S. or any European country history, we will find
>>>> continued bloody and non-bloody conflicts. However, since 1945, the end
>>>> of
>>>> WW II, they have been relatively peaceful, both internally and
>>>> externally.
>>>> Will they remain so for the indefinite future? We and our children will
>>>> see!
>>>>
>>>> After the communists took over power by destroying democracy and
>>>> monarchy,
>>>> Combodia, Ethiopia, and Afganistan became weak economically and
>>>> politically.
>>>> Nepal has to learn from these countries. Now, the situation in Combodia
>>>> is
>>>> getting better because the Cambodian people brought back multiparty
>>>> democracy and constitutional monarchy by ousting the Maoist Khmer Rouge.
>>>>
>>>> Twenty-nine years after the communist took over the power in Ethiopia
>>>> and
>>>> the King, Jahir Shah, was sent out of Afghanistan, the people have
>>>> suffered
>>>> immensely.
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying about the Maoist guerrilla issue is that the question
>>>> should not be which government system is better, mine or yours." Trying
>>>> to
>>>> answer this question will only lead to chaos and hatred, death and
>>>> destruction, violence and murder. Why take that deadly path? A better
>>>> and
>>>> more practical way to approach this problem by first realizing that all
>>>> people everywhere on earth need to focus on loving their country
>>>> (wherever
>>>> that country may be). Similarly they should have respect for their
>>>> leaders
>>>> and governments, and on having a greater pride in the land in which they
>>>> live and call home.
>>>>
>>>> This world's economy revolves around and even depends upon stable
>>>> governments everywhere. If each individual was to do his or her civic
>>>> duty
>>>> by honoring his or her home country, then economies would be built up in
>>>> the
>>>> process. For example, exercising their voting rights by voting in
>>>> greater
>>>> numbers during elections, increasing their loyalty to their companies by
>>>> looking for more ways to being productive, and most importantly,
>>>> honoring
>>>> their father and mother, sisters and brothers, friends and neighbors are
>>>> ways to make up a better nation.
>>>>
>>>> An effective way to deliver a just government system is by building one
>>>> that
>>>> possesses a mature checks and balance system, one that limits the
>>>> effects of
>>>> corruption and therefore helps to protect the civil rights of every
>>>> citizen
>>>> of the country. It's time for the people to stop looking in envy to
>>>> other
>>>> lands to satisfy their idea of a desirable place to be, to stop looking
>>>> to
>>>> other countries to find their ideal home. It's time for the people to
>>>> look
>>>> to their own homes, their own families, and their own communities to
>>>> realize
>>>> how valuable and precious their own land really is.
>>>>
>>>> Six million Ukrainians two million Cambodians, millions of North
>>>> Koreans,
>>>> millions in Zimbabwe and in Tito's Yugoslavia are starving to death
>>>> right
>>>> now. The total population of Cambodia, Turkey, Iran, or Argentina had to
>>>> lose their life or suffer from starvation, malnutrition and undiagnosed
>>>> or
>>>> mistreated illnesses. Millions are uncounted for, incarcerated and have
>>>> starved to death or died due to exposure. Communists believed that
>>>> Marxism
>>>> would bring about the greatest human welfare and power must be used to
>>>> tear
>>>> down the feudal or capitalist order but in practice, this system did not
>>>> improve the lot of the average person, instead it usually made their
>>>> living
>>>> conditions worse.
>>>>
>>>> It is really sad to know that some 100 million people worldwide lost
>>>> their
>>>> lives to the ideological scourge of communism after 1917. They include
>>>> the
>>>> victims of Stalin's terror, victims of the Chinese Cultural Revolution;
>>>> victims of the Cambodian genocide; victims of the Latin American and
>>>> Cuban
>>>> civil wars; East and Central Europeans dying in the uprisings of 1953,
>>>> 1956
>>>> and 1968 against their communist rulers. Communists also committed
>>>> genocide.
>>>> Genocide is the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race,
>>>> religion, or language.
>>>>
>>>> A Combodian citizen stated to local media that "Khmer Rouge said they
>>>> were
>>>> creating a utopian nation where everyone would be equal but while the
>>>> entire
>>>> population was dying of starvation and disease, the Khmer Rouge soldiers
>>>> and
>>>> the communist party members were able to choose any woman or man they
>>>> wanted
>>>> to marry. In addition to limitless food, they were also crazy about
>>>> gold,
>>>> jewelry, perfume, imported watches, western medicine, cars, motorcycles,
>>>> bicycles, silk, and other imported goods. I cannot forget how one woman
>>>> was
>>>> forced to cook her husband's liver, which was cut out while he was still
>>>> alive. Women were raped before execution. In fact, every day, every
>>>> minute
>>>> the communists step on the rights of people like us, debase our values
>>>> and
>>>> restrict our freedoms. Communism and terrorism have a mutual aim."
>>>>
>>>> Most deadly of all communist countries has been Cambodia under the Khmer
>>>> Rouge. They killed some 2 million Cambodians. The Soviet Union appears
>>>> to be
>>>> the greatest murderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people.
>>>> Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these brutal
>>>> killings. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 were due to
>>>> lethal
>>>> forced labor in the gulag and transit there to.
>>>>
>>>> As most communist governments underwent increasing liberalization and a
>>>> loosening of centralized power in the 1960s through the 1980s, the pace
>>>> of
>>>> killing dropped off sharply.
>>>>
>>>> If people cannot honor and love their country then their country cannot
>>>> love
>>>> them. Therefore, the other half of the approach for answering this
>>>> question
>>>> is that governments and their leaders must honor and respect their
>>>> people as
>>>> well. They can do this by publicly declaring the democratic freedoms
>>>> (such
>>>> as the freedoms of speech, press, and religion) that their countrymen
>>>> possess and by transparently and consistently honoring these freedoms
>>>> all
>>>> the time. One way that governments may do this is by establishing and
>>>> developing stable and fair legal and courts systems.
>>>>
>>>> Now, many Nepalese want peace at any price. We don't know how high the
>>>> price
>>>> was that we have to pay for the Maoist's peace?.
>>>>
>>>> *************
>>>>
>>>> ( Kamaal Sarup is editor of http://peacejournalism.com/ )
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