[Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini" Pamphlet

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

Inder Salim ji,

I had requested you in my last e-mail to reply; only if you have to add
something important source or information. I'm not here to argue and counter
argue on your figment of imagination. Your basis are on rumours and not
truth or historical perspectives. Kindly educate yourself; before diving in
the pond and spreading hatred by tirade of disinformation.

I'm a Kashmiri Pandit (just like any other Kaul), and just like a Buhur.
There is no difference among Kashmiri Pandits; as you may have wanted to
unfortunately.

Yes, I advised you two important things. On you willingly chose to ignore,
while entertained the other which wasn't of much importance. I asked you to
read history and especially those two texts which I had quoted. God knows
why books don't tickle your mind even a bit. On the other hand I asked you,
to get your children married to a so called Buhur; just for you to get a
first hand experience in your own family. I wonder why you have taken it the
other way. It shouldn't bother you. If it really does; then you believe in
discrimination and division. Isn't it ? Yes, here is a chance Inder; you can
begin social change at your own home. Or else, encourage your idiotic
ignorance and appeasement policy.

Never did I ask you to force your children. If you think so, its your
problem. Rather, you are hell bent on forcing a rumour of "division and
discrimination" among Pandits upon me. How corrupt and silly minded can you
get at this age ? God.

When we talk of Kashmiri Pandits; I don't think Muslims have any relevance
in this subject at this moment. As I said, earlier all were known as KOUL'S
and later the surnames and nicknames were distributed as a mark of identity.


How can you talk of Tickoo's being as such down the ladder or such crap ?
You are one among them, and are right now in front of a Desktop, thundering
your fingers on the keyboard. Get a life...will you ?

Kashmiri Pandits have always been and indeed are still peace loving. If it
wasn't so, they woul have picked up gun when Islamic Terrorists forced them
at gun point out of their homeland. Kashmiri Pandits still believe in the
might of the PEN. Just to remind you Mr. Inder. You might have forgotten
your land and community, though I haven't; it was by birth-place and will
always remain my land, in our country India.

The course of this debate has started degrading with your claims and
conter-claims; without a solid argument or a source. Its better if you make
your Sunday worth by reading some books on Kashmir. Don't shoot yet another
mail to Sarai, in anger. It becomes funny.

Also, if you wouldn't like wasting time any longer, then go on this link
http://mkmartand.blogspot.com/

Orzuv

Aditya Raj Kaul

On 9/28/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Kaul Sahib,
>
> Imagine, if you were a Buhur ( usually Tickoos ) and not a Kaul, would
> you write all this?
>
> you suggest me to get my children married in Buhur community ,
> so is this how you think about a social change ?
>
> forcing children to marry against their will, just because we want
> some social change. it is indeed silly to think so.
>
> the right thing is to acknowledge that Kashmiri pandits have many
> levels of hierarchy, the lowest in the ladder are Tickoos, Buhur,
> Tailors, Backers,
>
> if there were not Muslims communities  in kashmir who clean the
> toilets then there would have been more such down the ladder....
>
> it is time to think what a community is all about? are kashmiri
> pandits realy peace loving people.
>
> there is indeed a place called fool's paradise, where one can be, if
> you deny the facts.
>
>
> yours brotherly
> is
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Inder Salim ji,
> >
> > You are engulfed in this unfortunate psychological incorrectness of
> history.
> > As I said before, your arguments are based on rumours; and I have humbly
> put
> > forth some historical perspectives in front of you of what is the truth.
> >
> > No, I don't agree that their is any kind of division or discrimination
> among
> > the Pandit Community. I said you marry your daughter/son; just for your
> > personal satisfaction; not mine.
> > If you experience, one such wedding in your own family; it might help you
> > identify more closer to reality.
> >
> > I don't understand why you want to remain in dark and love being blind
> about
> > history and the truth of the past.
> >
> > Its high time your read those two books advised by me. Otherwise, you
> will
> > continue to live in a fools paradise.
> >
> > I'm astonished with the fact, that why do you want to encourage hatred,
> and
> > discrimination among the peace-loving Pandits.
> >
> > By your, angry childish mails above, I'm sure you have never even heard
> of
> > Rajatarangini and Nilmat-purana.
> >
> > So, its best you take time out from Reader's list and study history. Even
> I
> > enjoy reading history, and learning from the past.
> >
> > You have been ignorant all the time, at least here on the Sarai Network.
> > Hope better sense prevails upon you.
> >
> > P.S. - It seems you don't have an argument as before, so it would be in
> the
> > best interest of the Sarai reader's if you kindly refrain from continuing
> > this thread. All is upto you. :-)
> >
> >
> > Love
> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >
> > On 9/27/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> dear kaul sahib
> >>
> >> dont feel cornered by your own quotes and understanding of history,
> >> feel free, even if you are wrong, there is always time for
> >> corrections.
> >>
> >> you agree that there are no marraiges taking place between Buhurs and
> >> Kauls . ( i should marry one, just to satisfy you, you make me laugh )
> >>
> >> you agree that most Buhurs use their surname as Tickoo.
> >>
> >> you agree that you quote, history, which is not yours which is more
> >> authentic.
> >>
> >> And  those sections of society who suffer for ages because of their
> >> surnames, caste or colour or religion should abandon that belonging.
> >> Ambedkar was right that all the schedule caste people should change
> >> their religion, say Budhism.
> >>
> >> Why not, i beleive, Buhurs ( a  minority )  who dont enjoy a the right
> >> kind of stauts amongst proud  Kahsmiri pandits should change their
> >> religion, or do something to escape this label LAJBATTA.
> >>
> >>   Why should some people continue to suffer for this reason or that. we
> >> should be rational in our approach to this social problem.
> >>
> >> what is the fear ?
> >>
> >> love
> >> is
> >>
> >> Dear Radhika ji
> >>
> >> thanks for your kind response. i am not dividing kashmiri pandits. But
> >> it is a fact that Tickoo never dared to sit in front Kauls or Dhars at
> >> Hari Parbat shrine. This is a fact. what is so wrong to talk about it.
> >>
> >> rgards
> >> is
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>
> >> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Inder Salim ji,
> >> >
> >> >      Considering your age and some knowledge of Kashmir, I didn't
> expect
> >> at
> >> > least such a pathetic and immature response from your end.
> >> >
> >> > I just quoted some references from historical texts; which you may
> have
> >> > ignored for reasons best known to you. At no point did I push you to
> >> agree
> >> > with me or my point; it was plain history which I quoted. In response
> to
> >> it;
> >> > your e-mail doesn't substantiate on anything.
> >> >
> >> > I don't and shouldn't bother about your personal remarks. You have
> from
> >> very
> >> > long spreading disinformation among people who don't know much about
> >> > Kashmir. Unfortunate.
> >> >
> >> > I never said Buhur's are not Kashmiri Pandits. Please stop being sick.
> >> >
> >> > Read History, that will help you refresh a bit. Grow up and leave the
> >> > appeasement mindset.
> >> >
> >> > You have been claiming from last so many e-mails that Buhur's and KP's
> >> don't
> >> > have weddings among each other. Why don't you start this remarkable
> step
> >> for
> >> > your personal satisfaction from your own home ? Sounds Fantastic.
> Isn't
> >> it ?
> >> >
> >> > P.S. - Your response is in fit of anger and has less or almost no
> >> hostorical
> >> > basis. Kindly educate yourself. Read my previous e-mail again and the
> two
> >> > books that I've mentioned. It will only help you.
> >> >
> >> > Love
> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >
>