[Reader-list] HARAM

[Kshmendra Kaul]

Dear Radhikarajen
 
In your one sentence you have absolutely crossed the limits of decency by any standards. There can be no justification for doing so. No excuse good enough.
 
By doing so you have also made meaningless any points you might have been trying to make.
 
No Divinity is greater than any person. The person himself/herself is Divinity. Any person. You should realise  that if you have an understanding of Dharma (called Hinduism). 
 
 
Kshmendra


--- On Mon, 9/29/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:

From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
To: "Aarti Sethi" <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 4:07 PM

Aarti,

 if you enjoy the vague comments of Inderji, like the rioters getting upset
because of something written about "pandavas" it is upto you. Please
read the exchange of our thoughts carefully before jumping to protect Inderji
with lots of love.Orissa happened because a 80 year old revered person along
with aged persons was shot dead, not because of vague comments. Further Inderji
in his glib posts with occassional ghalib quotes gets away with sedition, but
being apologists to secularism, we always tolerate. When he says --"what is
sacred to you, need not be sacred for him," the secular credentials stand
totally exposed. 

 For me, what is sacred for him, may not be sacred, but i will not ridicule
that feel of sacredness. That is tolerent human being in me. But he not only
prefers to ridicule and Aarti for her love is prepared to chastise others to be
tolerent of his posts which at times are games of dividing the citizens on
yardstick of caste and faith, support to separatists tinged with ghalib's
quoates.?

 So, just to get him a feel of what it means to hurt others of the social ills
the two incidents are given, not that in other communities the events of such
magbitude do not happen, but priests in our society have no right of fathwas.

   If you like the circumsized cock it is your choice, but it does not give
right to you to keep mum when that person ridicules what you consider as good
and sacred. Tolerence does not mean that Inder can ridicule everything that is
sacred for hindu to please his bosses in power. When he talks of caste
discrimination, he seems to overlook the ills in other faiths and communities
and faiths, with humans in every community, the faults are there in all the
faiths. Let us try to figure out at reforms from our homes first, as charity
begins at home, but it does not give any moral high for a person like Inder
salim to talk up above from clouds.! It is for this reason, that i gave the
incidents for him to reflect on the role of fathwas, let him respond, if he
wants a decent debate, but that does not mean we should take his intolerence in
our strides.?

Regards.  

----- Original Message -----
From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Cc: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net

> radhika again you talk in unsubstantiated and vague generalities 
> which are
> neither here nor there and only betray your prejudice. Do you wish 
> me to
> quote incidents of the patriarchy inherent in Hindu society? I 
> assure you I
> can at great length. Really this is getting us nowhere.
> 
> regs
> A
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> 
> > With more love,
> >      Inderji,
> >    a visual which showed the father in law defending having sex 
> with his
> > daughter in law, fit to be his daughter did not make me smile, 
> felt sad,
> > even saddened  by the fathwa that followed the incident
> >      .A girl of hardly thirteen years married off to a
"shaikh" 
> of 67 years
> > of age, in Hyderabad, weeping at the airport before the flight 
> took off,made
> > me sad, not laugh as the nikah was legal, meher was good.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:38 pm
> > Subject: [Reader-list] HARAM
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >
> > > the one word comment  HARAM ( illegitimate ) on the following 
> you tube
> > > Nizamuddin no. at Ghalib's Mazar  ( a fragment of complete 
> song )
> > > made me smile,  unlike those who start rioting ( in Orirsa )
after
> > > reading something about Pandav Putras and some other deities 
> similar> > to them in origin.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNaFxUPaDg
> > >
> > >
> > > just click the above
> > > love
> > > is
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://indersalim.livejournal.com
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