[Reader-list] HARAM

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Mon Sep 29 17:12:55 IST 2008 

Thanks, you have only proved my point, that apologists of seculaism do not tolerate harsh dissent and harsh words for the likes of inder salim, when he was ridiculing what is sacred to one segment of society. But good thoughts however suppressed will float in dynamics of society. Thanks again.

 Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: Monica Narula <monica at sarai.net>
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Cc: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net

> As the Reader-list Administrator, I will now use my prerogative to 
> 
> remove Radhika Rajen from the list.
> 
> Monica Narula
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> On 29-Sep-08, at 4:07 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> 
> > Aarti,
> >
> >  if you enjoy the vague comments of Inderji, like the rioters  
> > getting upset because of something written about "pandavas" it 
> is  
> > upto you. Please read the exchange of our thoughts carefully 
> before  
> > jumping to protect Inderji with lots of love.Orissa happened  
> > because a 80 year old revered person along with aged persons was 
> 
> > shot dead, not because of vague comments. Further Inderji in his 
> 
> > glib posts with occassional ghalib quotes gets away with 
> sedition,  
> > but being apologists to secularism, we always tolerate. When he  
> > says --"what is sacred to you, need not be sacred for him," the  
> > secular credentials stand totally exposed.
> >
> >  For me, what is sacred for him, may not be sacred, but i will 
> not  
> > ridicule that feel of sacredness. That is tolerent human being 
> in  
> > me. But he not only prefers to ridicule and Aarti for her love 
> is  
> > prepared to chastise others to be tolerent of his posts which at 
> 
> > times are games of dividing the citizens on yardstick of caste 
> and  
> > faith, support to separatists tinged with ghalib's quoates.?
> >
> >  So, just to get him a feel of what it means to hurt others of 
> the  
> > social ills the two incidents are given, not that in other  
> > communities the events of such magbitude do not happen, but 
> priests  
> > in our society have no right of fathwas.
> >
> >    If you like the circumsized cock it is your choice, but it 
> does  
> > not give right to you to keep mum when that person ridicules 
> what  
> > you consider as good and sacred. Tolerence does not mean that 
> Inder  
> > can ridicule everything that is sacred for hindu to please his  
> > bosses in power. When he talks of caste discrimination, he seems 
> to  
> > overlook the ills in other faiths and communities and faiths, 
> with  
> > humans in every community, the faults are there in all the 
> faiths.  
> > Let us try to figure out at reforms from our homes first, as  
> > charity begins at home, but it does not give any moral high for 
> a  
> > person like Inder salim to talk up above from clouds.! It is for 
> 
> > this reason, that i gave the incidents for him to reflect on the 
> 
> > role of fathwas, let him respond, if he wants a decent debate, 
> but  
> > that does not mean we should take his intolerence in our strides.?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
> > To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> > Cc: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
> >
> >> radhika again you talk in unsubstantiated and vague generalities
> >> which are
> >> neither here nor there and only betray your prejudice. Do you wish
> >> me to
> >> quote incidents of the patriarchy inherent in Hindu society? I
> >> assure you I
> >> can at great length. Really this is getting us nowhere.
> >>
> >> regs
> >> A
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> With more love,
> >>>      Inderji,
> >>>    a visual which showed the father in law defending having sex
> >> with his
> >>> daughter in law, fit to be his daughter did not make me smile,
> >> felt sad,
> >>> even saddened  by the fathwa that followed the incident
> >>>      .A girl of hardly thirteen years married off to a "shaikh"
> >> of 67 years
> >>> of age, in Hyderabad, weeping at the airport before the flight
> >> took off,made
> >>> me sad, not laugh as the nikah was legal, meher was good.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:38 pm
> >>> Subject: [Reader-list] HARAM
> >>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >>>
> >>>> the one word comment  HARAM ( illegitimate ) on the following
> >> you tube
> >>>> Nizamuddin no. at Ghalib's Mazar  ( a fragment of complete
> >> song )
> >>>> made me smile,  unlike those who start rioting ( in Orirsa ) 
> after>>>> reading something about Pandav Putras and some other deities
> >> similar> > to them in origin.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNaFxUPaDg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> just click the above
> >>>> love
> >>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> http://indersalim.livejournal.com
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