[Reader-list] HARAM

Tue Sep 30 12:47:55 IST 2008

Dear Aditya,

   while thanking you for the felt need for fairplay and equity and natural justice, it is not the first time that yours truely has been the one at receiving end as posts have been on different forums in exchange of thoughts.

 Amusingly, it is our "secular" hindus who are keen to shut the voices of dissent when fanatics, both overt and covert use the divided hindu society for their gains of votes and power. I do not belive in blaming anyone, but it is the mindset of our own hindu sisters and brothers who are enamoured by "secular " thoughts, and in this mindset, whatever the likes of Inder salim writes , is gospel truth for them, even moderate voices of Nazo are tried to shut but it is now earning less dividends for the likes of Aarti. Aarti without even going thru the posts of Inder salim has the innocence to get annoyed but what she does not recognise is that muslims have a right to insult all the feelings of other religions, christians have right to ridicule anything that is sacred for hindu. But if anyone questions that "right" it is seen that these apologists to be looking "secular" feel annoyed.?

Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Kindly sight your reasons for such an extreme step. Why only 
> Radhika, you
> don't see anything wrong with Inder Salim ?
> 
> If you need to apply law, be equal with all. Or, else just leave 
> it as it
> is....
> 
> Thanks
> Aditya Raj Kaul
> 
> On 9/29/08, Monica Narula <monica at sarai.net> wrote:
> >
> > As the Reader-list Administrator, I will now use my prerogative to
> > remove Radhika Rajen from the list.
> >
> >
> > Monica Narula
> > Raqs
> > Sarai-CSDS
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> >
> >
> >
> > On 29-Sep-08, at 4:07 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> >
> > > Aarti,
> > >
> > >  if you enjoy the vague comments of Inderji, like the rioters
> > > getting upset because of something written about "pandavas" it is
> > > upto you. Please read the exchange of our thoughts carefully 
> before> > jumping to protect Inderji with lots of love.Orissa happened
> > > because a 80 year old revered person along with aged persons was
> > > shot dead, not because of vague comments. Further Inderji in his
> > > glib posts with occassional ghalib quotes gets away with sedition,
> > > but being apologists to secularism, we always tolerate. When he
> > > says --"what is sacred to you, need not be sacred for him," the
> > > secular credentials stand totally exposed.
> > >
> > >  For me, what is sacred for him, may not be sacred, but i will not
> > > ridicule that feel of sacredness. That is tolerent human being in
> > > me. But he not only prefers to ridicule and Aarti for her love is
> > > prepared to chastise others to be tolerent of his posts which at
> > > times are games of dividing the citizens on yardstick of caste and
> > > faith, support to separatists tinged with ghalib's quoates.?
> > >
> > >  So, just to get him a feel of what it means to hurt others of the
> > > social ills the two incidents are given, not that in other
> > > communities the events of such magbitude do not happen, but 
> priests> > in our society have no right of fathwas.
> > >
> > >    If you like the circumsized cock it is your choice, but it does
> > > not give right to you to keep mum when that person ridicules what
> > > you consider as good and sacred. Tolerence does not mean that 
> Inder> > can ridicule everything that is sacred for hindu to 
> please his
> > > bosses in power. When he talks of caste discrimination, he 
> seems to
> > > overlook the ills in other faiths and communities and faiths, with
> > > humans in every community, the faults are there in all the faiths.
> > > Let us try to figure out at reforms from our homes first, as
> > > charity begins at home, but it does not give any moral high 
> for a
> > > person like Inder salim to talk up above from clouds.! It is for
> > > this reason, that i gave the incidents for him to reflect on the
> > > role of fathwas, let him respond, if he wants a decent debate, but
> > > that does not mean we should take his intolerence in our strides.?
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:05 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
> > > To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> > > Cc: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
> > >
> > >> radhika again you talk in unsubstantiated and vague generalities
> > >> which are
> > >> neither here nor there and only betray your prejudice. Do you 
> wish> >> me to
> > >> quote incidents of the patriarchy inherent in Hindu society? I
> > >> assure you I
> > >> can at great length. Really this is getting us nowhere.
> > >>
> > >> regs
> > >> A
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> With more love,
> > >>>      Inderji,
> > >>>    a visual which showed the father in law defending having sex
> > >> with his
> > >>> daughter in law, fit to be his daughter did not make me smile,
> > >> felt sad,
> > >>> even saddened  by the fathwa that followed the incident
> > >>>      .A girl of hardly thirteen years married off to a "shaikh"
> > >> of 67 years
> > >>> of age, in Hyderabad, weeping at the airport before the flight
> > >> took off,made
> > >>> me sad, not laugh as the nikah was legal, meher was good.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:38 pm
> > >>> Subject: [Reader-list] HARAM
> > >>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > >>>
> > >>>> the one word comment  HARAM ( illegitimate ) on the following
> > >> you tube
> > >>>> Nizamuddin no. at Ghalib's Mazar  ( a fragment of complete
> > >> song )
> > >>>> made me smile,  unlike those who start rioting ( in Orirsa 
> ) after
> > >>>> reading something about Pandav Putras and some other deities
> > >> similar> > to them in origin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNaFxUPaDg
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> just click the above
> > >>>> love
> > >>>> is
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
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