[Reader-list] Mallika Sarabhai's Public Meeting in JNU on 31st March

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Mr Anupam ,

When 'Sickularism' goes extreme against a particular group or a community ,
you should be prepeared to listen as well.

What are your views about MAdani and also are communist not opportunist in
having a pact with a Hindu hater like Madani ?

Pawan

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Pawan,
>
> I am amazed by your steadfastness in expressing views and support for a
> man,
> who is using a good number of people's faith for God to gain power. However
> don't you think that by citing all these things for a person who is
> dividing
> the society, making unworthy comments, blinding the youth -- who instead of
> marching all the way to Ayodhya with bricks and mortar -- could have made
> houses for the poor? Guess who were funding the Ram Temple? those who owned
> big hotels and shops in UK and USA, (you know it very well i think).
> Because
> on a holiday, they would used the land next to the Babri Masjid to develop
> what we fondly call religious tourism. so that advani can have a large
> share
> of these donations that could come to the Ram temple in ayodhya and make a
> handsome profit out it.
>
> I also do not understand how Madani comes into perspective, when we are
> exclusively discussing about the a set of people who have divided the
> society in the past two decades like nobody. even the theives and dacoits,
> who were hiding from the law, got a reason to support that force of
> hindutva, because anyway it legitimises all their actions. because so
> conveniently once you dip your head in Ganga, irrespective of who you
> are...and what have you done to the society, everything is pardonable. i am
> not trying to defile the purity of the river, but im just saying that
> because people like advani have used the ethical codes of the religious
> texts for their own convenience, my belief in Rama or Krishna is shaken.
> because if godliness represents peace, how karsevaks take up a trishul and
> order the demolition of a masjid and at the same time, when people from 70
> villages in Kevadia in Narmada district are asked to moved to other places,
> no one from this lobby raised a voice against the authorities. i suspect
> the
> purity of the brick made for ram temple in ayodhya would have been lost if
> it were to be used to be used for making the houses of the poor, the
> homeless. on second thoughts, you must, dear pawan, pls tell advani that he
> should not send any of the bricks. because once people realise that these
> bricks were meant for fooling people to believe in something that they are
> anyways doing for over the years without making it into something
> political,
> trust me they would publicly lynch Advani. how, if god is omnipresent and
> all pervasive, how only making just this temple becomes so important for
> this party. it is a sad fact of this nation, which you will never be able
> to
> understand, because anyway your interests are political. people like advani
> have sold off my god, my religion, my faith, my dreams (with which I grew
> up) ... because of people such as advani, i have become a agnostic, almost
> a
> non-believer. because people like advani, i doubt what moral lessons would
> Gita can give to the young ones because a criminal such as Advani has
> already used it for his own good to justify his fight saying that he is
> waging a holy war.
>
> And unfortunately Pawan, you have used terms such as sickular borrowed from
> equally sick and perverted media channel and you are so proud to use it. it
> is distasteful to engage in any kind of dialogue with you or your kinds,
> that's what i have realised in the last couple of day when this reader's
> list was flooded with arguments which were forced laced with an advice:
> "think over it", "come out of your illusion".
>
> i have just one thing to say: the law and the constitution, which the
> greatest asset of the nation, will be nemesis for those take the citizens
> for granted. it was proven with Maya Kodnani's arrest. you cannot doubt it.
>
> with regards,
> anupam
>
> On 4/1/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rakesh ,
> >
> > When Mr Ray equates himself with " secular,democratic and progressive
> > sections of me society.".....that makes me laugh .
> >
> > And laughing is no easy thing to do in this age of recession.
> >
> > Mr Ray has to look in his own backyard and come clean on the Communist
> > association with Madani ,who allegedly plotted to kill Advani.
> >
> > Is Madani not communal or does a Muslim communal gets conerted to a
> secular
> > ,democratic and progressive man ?
> >
> > Come out of this 'sickularism'.....
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pawan
> > >
> > > What kind of context are you talking about? And if any context is fit
> > > enough to justify killings, then can you tell me why do you think Babur
> > is
> > > wrong, for after all he was only trying to bring about the Mughal rule
> in
> > > India, and who knows whether he actually believed in what he wrote or
> it
> > was
> > > only a gimmick to ensure that the Muslim clergy was satisfied?
> > >
> > > Even assuming he believed in it, he wanted to establish 'Islamic' rule.
> > So
> > > he destroyed and looted temples. Do you mean to say this context
> > justifies
> > > these killings? And hence the BJP's context of destroying masjids and
> > mazars
> > > is justified?
> > >
> > > As for the JNU, it has been by and large a leftist university. What is
> > the
> > > problem with that? After all, before talking of the 'low standards' of
> > the
> > > JNU, go and read history in the numerous 'Saraswati Shishu Mandir'
> > schools
> > > run by RSS across the country, and you would be ashamed. After reading
> > that
> > > history, Khushwant Singh had once commented that even the British would
> > be
> > > surprised that it has more communalizing content than that taught in
> > history
> > > under the British rule in India to practise 'divide and rule'.
> > >
> > > I have problems with the leftist violence unleashed in the name of
> Maoism
> > > as well as with their economic policies somewhat. But does that mean we
> > go
> > > on ridiculing them? And if yes, it is better to first ridicule the BJP
> > and
> > > their Sangh Parivar, which will destroy the very foundations on which
> the
> > > Indian state and Indian democracy were established.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Rakesh
> > >
> > >
> > >
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