[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 76

[rajenradhika at vsnl.net]

Dear All,
   it is really amusing to me when I raise the topic on reality check of indian democracy, the so called intelligentia of the sari readers list is deadly silence and not even one response to the thoughts put in the post. !

  If I were to post some thoughts about how the communism and its leaders are parasytes on labour class, living their life on the subscriptions paid by the poor working class, there would be enough responses justifying the leaders actions, if I were to talk about the rape of a young girl in Singur by goon cadres, murders and grievious hurt inflicted on poor citizens to deprive them of their right to property some more responses from "secular" intellect.

  But if I were to talk of rule of laws that is being subverted in democratic governance of the nation, the blame game starts of blaming the major community and the politics of vote banks of hindus, very amusing indeed. If lakhs of followers of one faith form a jammaath it is not communal, if lakhs of a caste say, yadavs form a party and then its leader loots the fodder funds, he is very secular, if he stops the peaceful Rath yathra, thus causing riots, it is the responsibilty of the leader Advani.?
    If I talk of judges who fudge their date of births and loot 600 crores in official residence thru their sons on non-existing assets, if the judges gulp down crores of PF money for their comforts, judiciary is still clean and honest.?  If the Law minister clandestinely operates to send the court official to London to defreeze the account, we have a chief justice who has no powers to take suo moto note of this dirty operation of kickbacks being reverted to uncle Q.? The same law minister warns a convict and a friend of terrorist to contest from his party or otherwise... the highest court applies its mind.?

  A simple land dispute about a dilapidated structure on land belonging to maharaja awauts judgement of judiciary for decades, if the structire not even used for prayer becomes a masjid to evoke emotional respones, what sort of calibre is these judges have who can not dispose off the cases and adjudicate them at the earliest, so that the political parties do not use it as vote gathering tool in democratic elections.?

  The chief justice finds technical loop holes to save the officer of the election commission even when he loots crores of rupess in his wifes NGO, and becomes a mole for the political party, and the contribution of judiciary is immense in this type of actions where they do not seem to have guts to talk of corruption in Election commission. EPIC or voters id cards issue is biggest corruption scandal with use of IT and tendering process and the EC has not even covered 50 percent of voters in nation. Shame on such "autonomous" bodies who play games with common man to appease the political parties.This can be verified easily by the serpentine ques for epic cards even now, with tout charging 100 bucks for facilitation of epic cards in metro cities. Bogus cards are another menace.

  Regards,

Rajendra Uppinangadi,
rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com

   
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>   1. Re: reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 62Freedom	and	right to
>      express at what cost to society.? (rajenradhika at vsnl.net)
>   2. Are News Channels emerging as arbitrators of the	I-card
>      discourse? (Taha Mehmood)
>   3. "Free,	Free Binayak Sen!" -- Report on U.S. Actions in
>      Solidarity with the	Raipur Satyagraha (Anivar Aravind)
>   4.  Re:  The decline of the 'encounter death' (bipin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:16:30 +0500
> From: rajenradhika at vsnl.net
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 62Freedom
> 	and	right to express at what cost to society.?
> To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> 
>  We the citizens of India gave ourselves the constitution of India 
> which gave us rights  to property, rights to life, rights to 
> express individually and we live in the nation state as a social 
> group of citizens and the state when it declared itself as a 
> secular, it means in letter and spirit that the state does not 
> uphold any faith, faith is strictly in the individuals prerogative 
> to live life as per his personal belief, practice the faith he 
> believes in, but th conflict comes in to play when the individual 
> wants to impose his faith in his right to express on the the other 
> individuals in the society.
> 
> Right to property is upheld by the constitution in its articles but 
> the governance by leaders elected by us, the citizens have 
> systematically denied this right to property, right from 
> Keshavanand Bharathi vs. Union of India case law judgement by 
> amending the constitution and inserting such laws into schedules in 
> the constitution which are beyond the perview of judicial system.
> 
> Right to have faith as strictly personal domain is again violated 
> by the Shah bano case law judgement by amending the laws to suit 
> vote banks, faith is used as a tool to gather votes.
>  We see today and in the last sixty two years of governance all 
> the political parties either for a faith or against a faith, either 
> for a community or against a community, either for few business 
> houses or against a few more business houses. Is this the true 
> facet of democratic governance.?
> 
>   True democratic rule in letter and spirit is when the elected 
> who take oaths of office to govern, without fear or favour in just 
> governance to all the citizens. But our leaders violate the oath 
> taken the very day by imposing their whims and fancies on selective 
> governance to citizens. Irrespective of the political parties the 
> issues of good governance alays take the last priority, the 
> community which voted them to power gains its pound of flesh and 
> discrimination in governance starts immediately.
> 
>   As to the four pillars of democratic governance, let us examine 
> the role of each of these in good governance or lack of it. 
> Political leadership or legislative pillar as explained above is 
> partisan and never does it rule with just and fair rule of law 
> enshrined in constitution. Only this can explain the coterie 
> culture of leaders as seen in every political parties, Sonia with 
> her one faith folowers as her inner circle, Advani with core 
> idealogists as his advisers, less said it is better.
> 
>   Now our babus, with weak and corrupt leadrs to pamper, the babus 
> for a nexus to keep these leaders happy and in the meanwhile 
> feather their nests. Thus deprived citizens are frustrated lot, so 
> naxal movement and other form of demand for fair rule of law is 
> evident in the nation, but naxals when they take law in to their 
> own hands towards reform of the system, they are outlawed, 
> naturally. So are the religious fanatics as they take violence as a 
> method of correction of the system.Hence rama sena and such other 
> outfits are illegal as the method is illegal .
> 
>  The next is judiciary which in normal rule of laws is most 
> respected of all the pillars of democracy. But when the retired 
> chief justice of the highest court admits that there are 10 percent 
> corrupt in judiciary, and we see the case of a judge not being 
> impeached for regional considerations by "national" party, a chief 
> justice fudging his date of birth to be in seat for a few more 
> months, a chief justice shielding his sons in his official 
> residence  to avail 600 crore loans in non-existent land assets, 
> judges in PF scams encashing employees' provident funds, judge 
> keeping the funds in his personal account being the receiver of the 
> court, are all indications of decay in judicial process. The chief 
> justice who can not act when his judicial officer goes to London to 
> release 21 crore to uncle Q with begging the crown prosecutors' 
> office, but instead gets the promotion, and scam money reaches the 
> culprit with the knowledge of the law minister and the beneficiary 
> pretends ignora
> nce of the loot, what more certification is needed of the falling 
> standards of judicial system other than untold delays and 
> subversion of the system.? The lawyers playing with the process, 
> bribing the witness, duress to witness is also not uncommon.
> 
>  The last of the pillars, the media, has its own fair share of 
> corrupt men and women in journalism. The poll surveys, reportage of 
> the events have ,ade the citizens realise that all the news are not 
> news but only views of such blacksheep in journalism. As to rewards 
> and awards, what service these blacksheep of media anchors served 
> the society is big question mark as they seem to be more involved 
> in newly evolved moral games of life styles  and reportage of 
> sensation rather that relevance to the society with trp as only 
> driving forces.
> 
> Unless the society and citizens understand and inculcate what is 
> right and correct way of life irrespective of faith, ( as all 
> faiths are only way of life to live life ethically and morally 
> correct.) and what is wrong in societal life, the democratic rule 
> of laws and god governance will be a mirage.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rajendra Uppinangadi,
> rajen882uppinangad at gmail.com.
> 
> PS: Author is not member to the list if the moderator/ 
> administrator feels fit may invite the author to be its member of 
> the list, any way freedom of expression for author is not a right 
> of obsession to rule other thoughts but to exchange all thoughts 
> and take the best for the life. 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68,Issue 
> 62Freedom	and	right to express at what cost to society.?
> To: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>
> Cc: rajenradhika at vsnl.net, sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> 
> > Dear all
> > 
> > I can understand the point that freedom of expression is more 
> > important than
> > peace, for after all any peace without any freedom of expression 
> is 
> > only the
> > lull before the storm waiting to happen. Plus of course, it 
> hampers 
> > one of
> > the basic human rights of citizens.
> > 
> > However, the other question which is confusing my mind, as 
> pointed 
> > out in
> > the article, is regarding nation-states providing rights to 
> > citizens. I
> > don't know much on this, so it would be good if we can discuss on 
> > whetherit's nation-states which act as the agencies to provide 
> > rights (and hence
> > without them people can't ask for rights), or is it that rights 
> are 
> > inherentirrespective of whether nation-states exist or not.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Rakesh
> > 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:37:39 +0100
> From: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Are News Channels emerging as arbitrators of
> 	the	I-card discourse?
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> Dear all
> 
> CNN IBN's Kinnari Patel reports about a village called Nargol in 
> Gujaratwhere it is mandatory for residents to have an I-card. All 
> the villagers
> have shared their fingerprints with the local police, she ends her 
> report by
> suggesting that, 'Nargol's is probably one story Gujarat and the 
> rest of the
> country should take lessons from.'. Interestingly in another 
> version of the
> same story, CNN IBN's Urunuday Majumdar suggests that, this experiment
> should be 'emulated' by the rest of india.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Taha
> 
> Please follow the links below to check out the stories-
> 
> http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/70576/crime-control-you-need-an-icard-
> to-enter-this-village.html
> 
> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/crime-control-you-need-an-icard-to-enter-
> this-village/70576-3.html
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:50:28 +0530
> From: Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] "Free,	Free Binayak Sen!" -- Report on U.S.
> 	Actions in Solidarity with the	Raipur Satyagraha
> To: Greenyouth <greenyouth at googlegroups.com>,	Reader List
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> ---------- Forwarded message --------
> [Thanks to all those who participated in Friday's solidarity action 
> with the
> Raipur Satyagraha.  Below is a report on the actions held in three 
> differentcities in the US.  Please forward to other groups.]
> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/03/free-free-binayak-sen-report-on-
> us-protests/
> **
> *"Free, Free Binayak Sen!"  *
> *50 international groups organize support in the USA for the Raipur
> Satyagraha **in India*
> *Simultaneous protests held in 3 US cities*
> 
> * <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_464m5zkcc6_b>San 
> Francisco, CA,
> New York, NY and Washington DC, 28 March, 2009:* Verve and vigor 
> marked the
> simultaneous protests held at the Indian embassy and consulates in
> Washington DC, New York City and San Francisco on March 27th, 
> demanding the
> immediate release of Dr. Binayak Sen, an end to the repressive 
> ChhattisgarhSpecial People's Security Act (CSPSA) and disbanding of 
> the state-sponsored
> militia, Salwa Judum.  Activists from Association for India's 
> Development(AID), Friends of South Asia (FOSA), South Asia 
> Solidarity Initiative
> (SASI), International League of People's Struggles, students and 
> facultyfrom local universities participated in these protests, 
> coinciding with the
> *Raipur Satyagraha* <http://www.raipursatyagraha.wordpress.com/>*, 
> *theongoing mass civil disobedience action in the city of Raipur 
> where Dr. Sen
> is incarcerated.  Over 50 groups from the US, UK and Canada have 
> written to
> the Chhattisgarh government and offered their support  to the Raipur
> Satyagraha, and nearly 600 individual faxes have also been sent to the
> Chhattisgarh government from around the world.
> 
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_42cjjj7tgq_b&writelyrefresh=1>The22-month long, unjustifiable detention of Dr. Binayak
> Sen<http://www.aidboston.org/FreeBinayakSen/bsen.htm>has become a
> rallying point for human rights and peace and justice groups in
> India and internationally.  A pediatrician by training who chose to 
> workwith the marginalized and malnourished people in remote 
> villages of
> Chhattisgarh in central India, Dr. Binayak Sen has been recognized 
> for his
> contributions to public health and human rights with the Paul Harrison
> award<http://home.cmcvellore.ac.in/NewsLine/PAUL%20HARRISON%20AWARD%202004%20-%20Citation.pdf>by
> his alma mater, the Christian Medical College, Vellore, the R.R.
> Keithan gold 
> medal<http://www.esocialsciences.com/News/NewsDetails.asp?Newsid=330&newstype=1>fromthe Indian Academy of Social Sciences, and the Jonathan
> Mann Award <http://www.globalhealth.org/news/article/9833> by the 
> GlobalHealth Council in Washington DC.  As Vice-president of 
> People's Union for
> Civil Liberties <http://www.pucl.org/> (PUCL), Dr Binayak Sen was
> instrumental in bringing to light the excesses of the Chhattisgarh
> government's security apparatus, notably the Salwa Judum, a state-
> sponsoredmilitia which has wreaked havoc in the villages of south 
> Bastar district.
> Activists and intellectuals, including Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy, 
> GeorgeGalloway, Mahashweta Devi, over 135 faculty members and 22 
> nobel laureates
> from around the world have joined in urging the Indian government 
> to free
> Dr. Binayak Sen and stop the harassment of human rights activists.
>   
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_42cjjj7tgq_b&writelyrefresh=1> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_47ck73hxgk_b>Anu Mandavilli,
> with Friends
> of South Asia <http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/> (FOSA), reminded 
> theprotestors in San Francisco, that the one-year long trial of Dr. 
> Sen, which
> included testimonies from over 50 government witnesses, has not 
> produced a
> shred of evidence or a single witness who could corroborate the 
> Government'sclaim that Dr. Sen engaged in seditious activities.  
> "Yet, the courts have
> denied Dr. Sen's bail application three times.  It is interesting 
> to note
> that men from Shri Ram Sene, who beat up women in Mangalore pubs in 
> front of
> cameras, were released on bail within 6 hours.  Whereas Dr. Sen, 
> with an
> impeccable 25-year record of public service, and no evidence 
> against him,
> has been in jail for 22 months now."
> 
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_47ck73hxgk_b>Angana 
> Chatterji,associate professor, California Institute of Integral 
> Studies, cited the
> harassment of other human rights defenders in Orissa and Kashmir, 
> statingthat Dr. Sen's case represents an alarming trend where the 
> Indian state is
> using draconian laws to silence those who oppose state repression. 
> Indeed,Dr. Sen is only the most prominent among numerous human 
> rights defenders and
> public intellectuals who languish in Indian jails because they 
> dared to
> speak truth to power.
> 
> 
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b>InNew York, activists gathered outside the Indian consulate to read Dr. Sen's
> New Year Letter from jail, recite poems from around the world in 
> support of
> Dr. Sen, and sing songs of collective action.  Jinee Lokaneeta of 
> the South
> Asia Solidarity Initiative (SASI), and on the faculty at Drew 
> University,drew attention to the fact that notwithstanding the 
> floundering case against
> Dr. Sen, the government has recently produced an additional 
> supplementarychargesheet against him.  "By repeatedly denying Dr. 
> Sen's bail application,
> and purposefully prolonging a meaningless trial, the state is 
> ensuring that
> Dr. Sen stays in prison a long time, even if charges against him 
> are never
> proved."
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b>
> Murli Natrajan, also of SASI and a faculty member at William Paterson
> University, added, "The laws used by the state to arrest Dr. Sen 
> are truly
> draconian.  These are the latest in the tradition of other harsh 
> laws, such
> as MISA, TADA and POTA, each one of which had to be abandoned after 
> beingdeclared unconstitutional by the highest judicial authorities, 
> and after
> gross misuse by the state's security apparatus became apparent."
> 
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b>Somu Kumar,
> with Association
> for India's Development <http://www.aidindia.org/> (AID), and one 
> of the
> organizers of the protest at the Indian embassy in Washington DC,
> highlighted that these protests are not limited to demanding the human
> rights of just one inidividual, Dr. Binayak Sen, but are in 
> opposition to a
> system which criminalizes those who point out its shortcomings.  
> "At this
> point, Dr. Sen is a symbol of many other ongoing struggles in
> India--especially those of the *adivasis*, the indigenous 
> inhabitants of the
> mineral rich areas, who are resisting displacement by large mining
> companies, and whose rights Dr. Sen was championing.  These 
> protests are
> also to demand consideration for the human rights of the *adivasis *of
> Chhattisgarh, more than 100,000 of who are officially internally 
> displacedpeople due to the actions of the state-sponsored Salwa 
> Judum." 
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b>  <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_44fgp6h9f8_b>
> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b>A letter 
> signed by
> more than 50 international peace and justice
> groups<http://docs.aidindia.org/Documents/AID-
> Chapters/Maryland/campaign/Binayak_Sen_Org_Endorsement.pdf>,and a 
> list of individuals who have faxed
> letters<http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/03/send-a-free-fax-in-
> support-of-the-raipur-satyagraha-for-release-of-dr-binayak-sen/>to
> the Chhattisgarh and central governments, were submitted to the Indian
> consular staff at each city who have guaranteed their delivery to 
> the desks
> of the Chief Minister of Chhattisgarh, the President and Prime 
> Minister of
> India, and the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission. 
> Someactivists voiced their disappointment that the government of 
> India had yet
> to acknowledge any of their previous submissions made over the 
> course of the
> last year.  "In spite of sending several hundred faxes, multiple 
> letters,and individual emails to various officials, we have yet to 
> hear back from a
> single government official that our letters have been received and 
> read,leave alone considered," said Srividhya Venkataraman, with AID-
> Berkeley.She added, "The Indian government has made it a priority 
> to reach out to
> NRIs. But if we, with multiple channels of communication available 
> to us,
> have such difficulty in getting our voice heard, how must the Indian
> government respond to the concerns of an *adivasi *located in a remote
> village in Bastar!"
> 
> Is anyone listening?
> ------------------------------
> *For more information, see the following*:
> 
> ·  Information on the Raipur Satyagraha for the Release of Dr. 
> Binayak Sen
> is available here: http://raipursatyagraha.wordpress.com
> 
> ·  More information on Dr. Binayak Sen and his case:
> 
> o For a detailed analysis of the state’s case against Dr. Sen, read 
> the3-part series in Indian Express by Vinay Sitapati:
> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/01/indian-express-series-on-binayak-
> sen/
> o A timeline of Binayak Sen’s case is available here:
> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/01/timeline-of-events-in-the-strange-
> case-of-dr-binayak-sen/
> 
> o A compilation of news articles on Dr. Sen can be found at
> www.binayaksen.net , www.freebinayaksen.org   and
> http://www.aidboston.org/FreeBinayakSen/media.htm
> 
> ·  On Chhattisgarh Special Public Security Act, 2005:
> 
> o The text of the law and its analysis by People’s Union for 
> DemocraticRights can be found here:
> http://cpjc.wordpress.com/chhattisgarh-special-public-security-act/
> 
> o A law and its victim, Ajoy Ashirwad Mahaprashasta, Frontline, Oct-
> Nov 2008
> http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2522/stories/20081107252212400.htm
> 
> o Caught between Naxals and police, Indian Express, June 11, 2008
> http://in.news.yahoo.com/indianexpress/20080611/r_t_ie_nl_general/tnl-caught-between-naxals-and-police-aaaedd4_1.html
> 
> ·  Fact-finding reports on Salwa Judum can be obtained from the 
> website for
> the Campaign for Peace and Justice in Chhattisgarh,
> http://cpjc.wordpress.com/reports-by-fact-finding-teams-on-salwa-
> judum/
> ·  Letter to the Chhattisgarh government by over 50 international 
> peace and
> justice groups can be found here:
> http://docs.aidindia.org/Documents/AID-
> Chapters/Maryland/campaign/Binayak_Sen_Org_Endorsement.pdf
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:34:27 +0530
> From: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>
> Subject: [Reader-list]  Re:  The decline of the 'encounter death'
> To: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
> Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID: <002101c9b0fd$62d23e90$0201a8c0 at limo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Dear Taha,
> 
> Its question of common sense and no study is required. The man who 
> accused remains in custody for long time and waiting for their 
> hearing in court to come. During the time they are mentally down or 
> may go under depression, which effects their health heavily. Police 
> strictness to get truth adds fuel to their mental/physical illness 
> position. If he proved innocent after pretty long time (say 8/10 
> years) but mentally he would be tired and his health effected 
> heavily. 
> 
> 
> 
> No doubt, there might be cases of police atrocities, but looking to 
> the cases comes with police and court, this figure is negligible. 
> Also, the figure appear may be after studies, not necessarily true. 
> Since they just count death not only at jail, but death occur at 
> home, but case going on can also be counted. They are no 
> clarification in their data.
> 
> 
> 
> For each and every thing one should not see in the eye research or 
> studies. Even thing I have noticed that after long research, data 
> achieved can also be easily understood by common sense.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> Bipin
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Taha Mehmood 
>  To: bipin 
>  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:29 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The decline of the 'encounter death'
> 
> 
>  Dear Bipin
> 
>  Please tell me what has our judicial system got to do with 
> custodial deaths? What is the co-relationship between delay in 
> court cases and out dated laws and  people dying under police 
> custody? Are there any studies or any figures that you would wish 
> to quote here or are we to believe your seemingly outrageous claims 
> on the basis of your word only? Again a primary reading of your 
> post might lead us to assume that ALL custodial deaths involve 
> people who are 'criminals', is that the case? If so then could you 
> please substantiate your argument. 
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