[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 76

[bipin]

well said Reajendra

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>
> Dear All,
>   it is really amusing to me when I raise the topic on reality check of 
> indian democracy, the so called intelligentia of the sari readers list is 
> deadly silence and not even one response to the thoughts put in the post. 
> !
>
>  If I were to post some thoughts about how the communism and its leaders 
> are parasytes on labour class, living their life on the subscriptions paid 
> by the poor working class, there would be enough responses justifying the 
> leaders actions, if I were to talk about the rape of a young girl in 
> Singur by goon cadres, murders and grievious hurt inflicted on poor 
> citizens to deprive them of their right to property some more responses 
> from "secular" intellect.
>
>  But if I were to talk of rule of laws that is being subverted in 
> democratic governance of the nation, the blame game starts of blaming the 
> major community and the politics of vote banks of hindus, very amusing 
> indeed. If lakhs of followers of one faith form a jammaath it is not 
> communal, if lakhs of a caste say, yadavs form a party and then its leader 
> loots the fodder funds, he is very secular, if he stops the peaceful Rath 
> yathra, thus causing riots, it is the responsibilty of the leader Advani.?
>    If I talk of judges who fudge their date of births and loot 600 crores 
> in official residence thru their sons on non-existing assets, if the 
> judges gulp down crores of PF money for their comforts, judiciary is still 
> clean and honest.?  If the Law minister clandestinely operates to send the 
> court official to London to defreeze the account, we have a chief justice 
> who has no powers to take suo moto note of this dirty operation of 
> kickbacks being reverted to uncle Q.? The same law minister warns a 
> convict and a friend of terrorist to contest from his party or 
> otherwise... the highest court applies its mind.?
>
>  A simple land dispute about a dilapidated structure on land belonging to 
> maharaja awauts judgement of judiciary for decades, if the structire not 
> even used for prayer becomes a masjid to evoke emotional respones, what 
> sort of calibre is these judges have who can not dispose off the cases and 
> adjudicate them at the earliest, so that the political parties do not use 
> it as vote gathering tool in democratic elections.?
>
>  The chief justice finds technical loop holes to save the officer of the 
> election commission even when he loots crores of rupess in his wifes NGO, 
> and becomes a mole for the political party, and the contribution of 
> judiciary is immense in this type of actions where they do not seem to 
> have guts to talk of corruption in Election commission. EPIC or voters id 
> cards issue is biggest corruption scandal with use of IT and tendering 
> process and the EC has not even covered 50 percent of voters in nation. 
> Shame on such "autonomous" bodies who play games with common man to 
> appease the political parties.This can be verified easily by the 
> serpentine ques for epic cards even now, with tout charging 100 bucks for 
> facilitation of epic cards in metro cities. Bogus cards are another 
> menace.
>
>  Regards,
>
> Rajendra Uppinangadi,
> rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com
>
>
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>>   1. Re: reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 62Freedom and right to
>>      express at what cost to society.? (rajenradhika at vsnl.net)
>>   2. Are News Channels emerging as arbitrators of the I-card
>>      discourse? (Taha Mehmood)
>>   3. "Free, Free Binayak Sen!" -- Report on U.S. Actions in
>>      Solidarity with the Raipur Satyagraha (Anivar Aravind)
>>   4.  Re:  The decline of the 'encounter death' (bipin)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:16:30 +0500
>> From: rajenradhika at vsnl.net
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 62Freedom
>> and right to express at what cost to society.?
>> To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Message-ID: <e2d8ccbe2f1fb.49cf669e at vsnl.net>
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>>
>>  We the citizens of India gave ourselves the constitution of India
>> which gave us rights  to property, rights to life, rights to
>> express individually and we live in the nation state as a social
>> group of citizens and the state when it declared itself as a
>> secular, it means in letter and spirit that the state does not
>> uphold any faith, faith is strictly in the individuals prerogative
>> to live life as per his personal belief, practice the faith he
>> believes in, but th conflict comes in to play when the individual
>> wants to impose his faith in his right to express on the the other
>> individuals in the society.
>>
>> Right to property is upheld by the constitution in its articles but
>> the governance by leaders elected by us, the citizens have
>> systematically denied this right to property, right from
>> Keshavanand Bharathi vs. Union of India case law judgement by
>> amending the constitution and inserting such laws into schedules in
>> the constitution which are beyond the perview of judicial system.
>>
>> Right to have faith as strictly personal domain is again violated
>> by the Shah bano case law judgement by amending the laws to suit
>> vote banks, faith is used as a tool to gather votes.
>>  We see today and in the last sixty two years of governance all
>> the political parties either for a faith or against a faith, either
>> for a community or against a community, either for few business
>> houses or against a few more business houses. Is this the true
>> facet of democratic governance.?
>>
>>   True democratic rule in letter and spirit is when the elected
>> who take oaths of office to govern, without fear or favour in just
>> governance to all the citizens. But our leaders violate the oath
>> taken the very day by imposing their whims and fancies on selective
>> governance to citizens. Irrespective of the political parties the
>> issues of good governance alays take the last priority, the
>> community which voted them to power gains its pound of flesh and
>> discrimination in governance starts immediately.
>>
>>   As to the four pillars of democratic governance, let us examine
>> the role of each of these in good governance or lack of it.
>> Political leadership or legislative pillar as explained above is
>> partisan and never does it rule with just and fair rule of law
>> enshrined in constitution. Only this can explain the coterie
>> culture of leaders as seen in every political parties, Sonia with
>> her one faith folowers as her inner circle, Advani with core
>> idealogists as his advisers, less said it is better.
>>
>>   Now our babus, with weak and corrupt leadrs to pamper, the babus
>> for a nexus to keep these leaders happy and in the meanwhile
>> feather their nests. Thus deprived citizens are frustrated lot, so
>> naxal movement and other form of demand for fair rule of law is
>> evident in the nation, but naxals when they take law in to their
>> own hands towards reform of the system, they are outlawed,
>> naturally. So are the religious fanatics as they take violence as a
>> method of correction of the system.Hence rama sena and such other
>> outfits are illegal as the method is illegal .
>>
>>  The next is judiciary which in normal rule of laws is most
>> respected of all the pillars of democracy. But when the retired
>> chief justice of the highest court admits that there are 10 percent
>> corrupt in judiciary, and we see the case of a judge not being
>> impeached for regional considerations by "national" party, a chief
>> justice fudging his date of birth to be in seat for a few more
>> months, a chief justice shielding his sons in his official
>> residence  to avail 600 crore loans in non-existent land assets,
>> judges in PF scams encashing employees' provident funds, judge
>> keeping the funds in his personal account being the receiver of the
>> court, are all indications of decay in judicial process. The chief
>> justice who can not act when his judicial officer goes to London to
>> release 21 crore to uncle Q with begging the crown prosecutors'
>> office, but instead gets the promotion, and scam money reaches the
>> culprit with the knowledge of the law minister and the beneficiary
>> pretends ignora
>> nce of the loot, what more certification is needed of the falling
>> standards of judicial system other than untold delays and
>> subversion of the system.? The lawyers playing with the process,
>> bribing the witness, duress to witness is also not uncommon.
>>
>>  The last of the pillars, the media, has its own fair share of
>> corrupt men and women in journalism. The poll surveys, reportage of
>> the events have ,ade the citizens realise that all the news are not
>> news but only views of such blacksheep in journalism. As to rewards
>> and awards, what service these blacksheep of media anchors served
>> the society is big question mark as they seem to be more involved
>> in newly evolved moral games of life styles  and reportage of
>> sensation rather that relevance to the society with trp as only
>> driving forces.
>>
>> Unless the society and citizens understand and inculcate what is
>> right and correct way of life irrespective of faith, ( as all
>> faiths are only way of life to live life ethically and morally
>> correct.) and what is wrong in societal life, the democratic rule
>> of laws and god governance will be a mirage.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rajendra Uppinangadi,
>> rajen882uppinangad at gmail.com.
>>
>> PS: Author is not member to the list if the moderator/
>> administrator feels fit may invite the author to be its member of
>> the list, any way freedom of expression for author is not a right
>> of obsession to rule other thoughts but to exchange all thoughts
>> and take the best for the life.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 68,Issue
>> 62Freedom and right to express at what cost to society.?
>> To: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>
>> Cc: rajenradhika at vsnl.net, sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>
>> > Dear all
>> >
>> > I can understand the point that freedom of expression is more
>> > important than
>> > peace, for after all any peace without any freedom of expression
>> is
>> > only the
>> > lull before the storm waiting to happen. Plus of course, it
>> hampers
>> > one of
>> > the basic human rights of citizens.
>> >
>> > However, the other question which is confusing my mind, as
>> pointed
>> > out in
>> > the article, is regarding nation-states providing rights to
>> > citizens. I
>> > don't know much on this, so it would be good if we can discuss on
>> > whetherit's nation-states which act as the agencies to provide
>> > rights (and hence
>> > without them people can't ask for rights), or is it that rights
>> are
>> > inherentirrespective of whether nation-states exist or not.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Rakesh
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:37:39 +0100
>> From: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: [Reader-list] Are News Channels emerging as arbitrators of
>> the I-card discourse?
>> To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
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>>
>> Dear all
>>
>> CNN IBN's Kinnari Patel reports about a village called Nargol in
>> Gujaratwhere it is mandatory for residents to have an I-card. All
>> the villagers
>> have shared their fingerprints with the local police, she ends her
>> report by
>> suggesting that, 'Nargol's is probably one story Gujarat and the
>> rest of the
>> country should take lessons from.'. Interestingly in another
>> version of the
>> same story, CNN IBN's Urunuday Majumdar suggests that, this experiment
>> should be 'emulated' by the rest of india.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Taha
>>
>> Please follow the links below to check out the stories-
>>
>> http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/70576/crime-control-you-need-an-icard-
>> to-enter-this-village.html
>>
>> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/crime-control-you-need-an-icard-to-enter-
>> this-village/70576-3.html
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:50:28 +0530
>> From: Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Reader-list] "Free, Free Binayak Sen!" -- Report on U.S.
>> Actions in Solidarity with the Raipur Satyagraha
>> To: Greenyouth <greenyouth at googlegroups.com>, Reader List
>> <reader-list at sarai.net>, "fourth-estate-critique at googlegroups.com"
>> <fourth-estate-critique at googlegroups.com>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message --------
>> [Thanks to all those who participated in Friday's solidarity action
>> with the
>> Raipur Satyagraha.  Below is a report on the actions held in three
>> differentcities in the US.  Please forward to other groups.]
>> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/03/free-free-binayak-sen-report-on-
>> us-protests/
>> **
>> *"Free, Free Binayak Sen!"  *
>> *50 international groups organize support in the USA for the Raipur
>> Satyagraha **in India*
>> *Simultaneous protests held in 3 US cities*
>>
>> * <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_464m5zkcc6_b>San
>> Francisco, CA,
>> New York, NY and Washington DC, 28 March, 2009:* Verve and vigor
>> marked the
>> simultaneous protests held at the Indian embassy and consulates in
>> Washington DC, New York City and San Francisco on March 27th,
>> demanding the
>> immediate release of Dr. Binayak Sen, an end to the repressive
>> ChhattisgarhSpecial People's Security Act (CSPSA) and disbanding of
>> the state-sponsored
>> militia, Salwa Judum.  Activists from Association for India's
>> Development(AID), Friends of South Asia (FOSA), South Asia
>> Solidarity Initiative
>> (SASI), International League of People's Struggles, students and
>> facultyfrom local universities participated in these protests,
>> coinciding with the
>> *Raipur Satyagraha* <http://www.raipursatyagraha.wordpress.com/>*,
>> *theongoing mass civil disobedience action in the city of Raipur
>> where Dr. Sen
>> is incarcerated.  Over 50 groups from the US, UK and Canada have
>> written to
>> the Chhattisgarh government and offered their support  to the Raipur
>> Satyagraha, and nearly 600 individual faxes have also been sent to the
>> Chhattisgarh government from around the world.
>>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_42cjjj7tgq_b&writelyrefresh=1>The22-month 
>> long, unjustifiable detention of Dr. Binayak
>> Sen<http://www.aidboston.org/FreeBinayakSen/bsen.htm>has become a
>> rallying point for human rights and peace and justice groups in
>> India and internationally.  A pediatrician by training who chose to
>> workwith the marginalized and malnourished people in remote
>> villages of
>> Chhattisgarh in central India, Dr. Binayak Sen has been recognized
>> for his
>> contributions to public health and human rights with the Paul Harrison
>> award<http://home.cmcvellore.ac.in/NewsLine/PAUL%20HARRISON%20AWARD%202004%20-%20Citation.pdf>by
>> his alma mater, the Christian Medical College, Vellore, the R.R.
>> Keithan gold
>> medal<http://www.esocialsciences.com/News/NewsDetails.asp?Newsid=330&newstype=1>fromthe 
>> Indian Academy of Social Sciences, and the Jonathan
>> Mann Award <http://www.globalhealth.org/news/article/9833> by the
>> GlobalHealth Council in Washington DC.  As Vice-president of
>> People's Union for
>> Civil Liberties <http://www.pucl.org/> (PUCL), Dr Binayak Sen was
>> instrumental in bringing to light the excesses of the Chhattisgarh
>> government's security apparatus, notably the Salwa Judum, a state-
>> sponsoredmilitia which has wreaked havoc in the villages of south
>> Bastar district.
>> Activists and intellectuals, including Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy,
>> GeorgeGalloway, Mahashweta Devi, over 135 faculty members and 22
>> nobel laureates
>> from around the world have joined in urging the Indian government
>> to free
>> Dr. Binayak Sen and stop the harassment of human rights activists.
>>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_42cjjj7tgq_b&writelyrefresh=1> 
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_47ck73hxgk_b>Anu Mandavilli,
>> with Friends
>> of South Asia <http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/> (FOSA), reminded
>> theprotestors in San Francisco, that the one-year long trial of Dr.
>> Sen, which
>> included testimonies from over 50 government witnesses, has not
>> produced a
>> shred of evidence or a single witness who could corroborate the
>> Government'sclaim that Dr. Sen engaged in seditious activities.
>> "Yet, the courts have
>> denied Dr. Sen's bail application three times.  It is interesting
>> to note
>> that men from Shri Ram Sene, who beat up women in Mangalore pubs in
>> front of
>> cameras, were released on bail within 6 hours.  Whereas Dr. Sen,
>> with an
>> impeccable 25-year record of public service, and no evidence
>> against him,
>> has been in jail for 22 months now."
>>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_47ck73hxgk_b>Angana
>> Chatterji,associate professor, California Institute of Integral
>> Studies, cited the
>> harassment of other human rights defenders in Orissa and Kashmir,
>> statingthat Dr. Sen's case represents an alarming trend where the
>> Indian state is
>> using draconian laws to silence those who oppose state repression.
>> Indeed,Dr. Sen is only the most prominent among numerous human
>> rights defenders and
>> public intellectuals who languish in Indian jails because they
>> dared to
>> speak truth to power.
>>
>>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b>InNew 
>> York, activists gathered outside the Indian consulate to read Dr. Sen's
>> New Year Letter from jail, recite poems from around the world in
>> support of
>> Dr. Sen, and sing songs of collective action.  Jinee Lokaneeta of
>> the South
>> Asia Solidarity Initiative (SASI), and on the faculty at Drew
>> University,drew attention to the fact that notwithstanding the
>> floundering case against
>> Dr. Sen, the government has recently produced an additional
>> supplementarychargesheet against him.  "By repeatedly denying Dr.
>> Sen's bail application,
>> and purposefully prolonging a meaningless trial, the state is
>> ensuring that
>> Dr. Sen stays in prison a long time, even if charges against him
>> are never
>> proved."
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_43gwnvb6pk_b>
>> Murli Natrajan, also of SASI and a faculty member at William Paterson
>> University, added, "The laws used by the state to arrest Dr. Sen
>> are truly
>> draconian.  These are the latest in the tradition of other harsh
>> laws, such
>> as MISA, TADA and POTA, each one of which had to be abandoned after
>> beingdeclared unconstitutional by the highest judicial authorities,
>> and after
>> gross misuse by the state's security apparatus became apparent."
>>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b>Somu Kumar,
>> with Association
>> for India's Development <http://www.aidindia.org/> (AID), and one
>> of the
>> organizers of the protest at the Indian embassy in Washington DC,
>> highlighted that these protests are not limited to demanding the human
>> rights of just one inidividual, Dr. Binayak Sen, but are in
>> opposition to a
>> system which criminalizes those who point out its shortcomings.
>> "At this
>> point, Dr. Sen is a symbol of many other ongoing struggles in
>> India--especially those of the *adivasis*, the indigenous
>> inhabitants of the
>> mineral rich areas, who are resisting displacement by large mining
>> companies, and whose rights Dr. Sen was championing.  These
>> protests are
>> also to demand consideration for the human rights of the *adivasis *of
>> Chhattisgarh, more than 100,000 of who are officially internally
>> displacedpeople due to the actions of the state-sponsored Salwa
>> Judum."
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b> 
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b><http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_44fgp6h9f8_b>
>> <http://docs.google.com/File?id=ddp3w2ff_45fpt6n8fs_b>A letter
>> signed by
>> more than 50 international peace and justice
>> groups<http://docs.aidindia.org/Documents/AID-
>> Chapters/Maryland/campaign/Binayak_Sen_Org_Endorsement.pdf>,and a
>> list of individuals who have faxed
>> letters<http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/03/send-a-free-fax-in-
>> support-of-the-raipur-satyagraha-for-release-of-dr-binayak-sen/>to
>> the Chhattisgarh and central governments, were submitted to the Indian
>> consular staff at each city who have guaranteed their delivery to
>> the desks
>> of the Chief Minister of Chhattisgarh, the President and Prime
>> Minister of
>> India, and the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission.
>> Someactivists voiced their disappointment that the government of
>> India had yet
>> to acknowledge any of their previous submissions made over the
>> course of the
>> last year.  "In spite of sending several hundred faxes, multiple
>> letters,and individual emails to various officials, we have yet to
>> hear back from a
>> single government official that our letters have been received and
>> read,leave alone considered," said Srividhya Venkataraman, with AID-
>> Berkeley.She added, "The Indian government has made it a priority
>> to reach out to
>> NRIs. But if we, with multiple channels of communication available
>> to us,
>> have such difficulty in getting our voice heard, how must the Indian
>> government respond to the concerns of an *adivasi *located in a remote
>> village in Bastar!"
>>
>> Is anyone listening?
>> ------------------------------
>> *For more information, see the following*:
>>
>> ·  Information on the Raipur Satyagraha for the Release of Dr.
>> Binayak Sen
>> is available here: http://raipursatyagraha.wordpress.com
>>
>> ·  More information on Dr. Binayak Sen and his case:
>>
>> o For a detailed analysis of the state’s case against Dr. Sen, read
>> the3-part series in Indian Express by Vinay Sitapati:
>> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/01/indian-express-series-on-binayak-
>> sen/
>> o A timeline of Binayak Sen’s case is available here:
>> http://www.binayaksen.net/2009/01/timeline-of-events-in-the-strange-
>> case-of-dr-binayak-sen/
>>
>> o A compilation of news articles on Dr. Sen can be found at
>> www.binayaksen.net , www.freebinayaksen.org   and
>> http://www.aidboston.org/FreeBinayakSen/media.htm
>>
>> ·  On Chhattisgarh Special Public Security Act, 2005:
>>
>> o The text of the law and its analysis by People’s Union for
>> DemocraticRights can be found here:
>> http://cpjc.wordpress.com/chhattisgarh-special-public-security-act/
>>
>> o A law and its victim, Ajoy Ashirwad Mahaprashasta, Frontline, Oct-
>> Nov 2008
>> http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2522/stories/20081107252212400.htm
>>
>> o Caught between Naxals and police, Indian Express, June 11, 2008
>> http://in.news.yahoo.com/indianexpress/20080611/r_t_ie_nl_general/tnl-caught-between-naxals-and-police-aaaedd4_1.html
>>
>> ·  Fact-finding reports on Salwa Judum can be obtained from the
>> website for
>> the Campaign for Peace and Justice in Chhattisgarh,
>> http://cpjc.wordpress.com/reports-by-fact-finding-teams-on-salwa-
>> judum/
>> ·  Letter to the Chhattisgarh government by over 50 international
>> peace and
>> justice groups can be found here:
>> http://docs.aidindia.org/Documents/AID-
>> Chapters/Maryland/campaign/Binayak_Sen_Org_Endorsement.pdf
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:34:27 +0530
>> From: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>
>> Subject: [Reader-list]  Re:  The decline of the 'encounter death'
>> To: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
>> Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Message-ID: <002101c9b0fd$62d23e90$0201a8c0 at limo>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Dear Taha,
>>
>> Its question of common sense and no study is required. The man who
>> accused remains in custody for long time and waiting for their
>> hearing in court to come. During the time they are mentally down or
>> may go under depression, which effects their health heavily. Police
>> strictness to get truth adds fuel to their mental/physical illness
>> position. If he proved innocent after pretty long time (say 8/10
>> years) but mentally he would be tired and his health effected
>> heavily.
>>
>>
>>
>> No doubt, there might be cases of police atrocities, but looking to
>> the cases comes with police and court, this figure is negligible.
>> Also, the figure appear may be after studies, not necessarily true.
>> Since they just count death not only at jail, but death occur at
>> home, but case going on can also be counted. They are no
>> clarification in their data.
>>
>>
>>
>> For each and every thing one should not see in the eye research or
>> studies. Even thing I have noticed that after long research, data
>> achieved can also be easily understood by common sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Bipin
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Taha Mehmood
>>  To: bipin
>>  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:29 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The decline of the 'encounter death'
>>
>>
>>  Dear Bipin
>>
>>  Please tell me what has our judicial system got to do with
>> custodial deaths? What is the co-relationship between delay in
>> court cases and out dated laws and  people dying under police
>> custody? Are there any studies or any figures that you would wish
>> to quote here or are we to believe your seemingly outrageous claims
>> on the basis of your word only? Again a primary reading of your
>> post might lead us to assume that ALL custodial deaths involve
>> people who are 'criminals', is that the case? If so then could you
>> please substantiate your argument.
>>
>>  Regards
>>
>>  Taha
>>
>>
>>
>>
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