[Reader-list] secularly secular.

[anupam chakravartty]

mr rajen what do you precisely mean by "all faith talk of love (not in the
western meaning of love making)"? it is because of the lack of knowledge of
the your epistemological and ethical past which is why politicians taking
advantage of the secular ideals and twisting it for their own purpose. love
in all sense of term be it physical or spiritual is love. and if your so
called western meaning has lust attached to it then hindu men are more
lusty. there are more rapists in this country. during riots they rape women,
all of them.

and then holier than thou statement about clergy citing examples from
christianity...did u forget asaram bapu? or chandraswami?
anupam



On 4/5/09, Rajen Uppinangadi <rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is indeed interesting views about being secular and its hues of
> definitions.
> As I see it all faiths are secular, if they are not under control of its
> clergies.Because all faiths teach us of compassion, empathy, concerns for
> fellow living beings and good way of life to live ethically and morally
> correct.All faiths talk of love( not in western meaning of love making) to
> other s in society, and secular life in democratic rule of governance means
> all citizens get good governance, right to property and all fundamental
> rights so that they can be facilitated by good governance to avail all
> opportunities in life without depriving others of their rights.And that is
> dharma, or duty to accept rights of others to live as they feel fit,
> without
> impinging on others rights in society.Respect to other individuals rights
> is
> the duty or dharma as long as it does not hurt the societal peace and
> harmony, if it does the laws are there to take action, and none can take
> laws in their hands to correct the deviant behaviour of the few.
>
> As we see today, the clergies have bigger role in some faiths, they after
> prayers provoke the followers of faith into violent acts, only to
> strengthen
> their hold on the community so as to deliver votes to the needy who pay the
> price for such votes, not to community but to these self proclaimed leaders
> of the community. Thus they become king makers of the community.
>
> This is more marked in christian faith and some ects of islamic clergies
> and we see the taliban and evil effects of such clergies who have no
> respect
> for rights of individuals of their own faith.!
>
> In christian faith the role of pope onwards is that of a fascist dictator
> who orders with money power to harvest souls of the poor and convert them
> with material needs. It only reflects the fact that bad governance,
> governance of discrimination on caste and faith has made all feel deprived
> and thus naalism, deviant fanatism of violence is born out of bad
> governance.Proper implementation of rule of laws will be only method were
> individuals do not take laws into their own hands at the percieved
> injustice
> in governance where the judiciary acts promptly to prosecute the violaters
> of rule of laws.
>
> Any faith helps individual to have good ethical, moral material life,
> intellectual life and spiritual life at his/her own choice, but clergies
> mess up the life with fanatism, with their considered dos and donts. Every
> individual knows what is correct, and what is wrong for him.When an
> individual respects others rights in practice of his rights, that is
> happyness for all in society.
>
> Regards..
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