[Reader-list] Fwd: Fwd: Communists ask for forgiveness for acts committed in past

[anupam chakravartty]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Date: Apr 6, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: Communists ask for forgiveness for acts
committed in past
To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>

Dear Pawan,

Dont you think by associating by islam and terrorism, it legitimises these
actions taken by one specific group of people akin to the ones who try to
represent the same in the name of hindu religion? so that a lay person
following one of these particular faith sympathises them?

please respond.

anupam



On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Anupam ,
>
> I understand your predicament . It is fashionable not to accept
> islamic terrorism in Kashmir.
> Thats a fashion , well adopted by 'sickulars'.
>
> pawan
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > Date: Apr 6, 2009 1:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Communists ask for forgiveness for acts
> committed
> > in past
> > To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> >
> > yes sir, sure i would have love to learn all about the political
> turncoats
> > like you who justify all their actions by changing their political attire
> > like a bollywood star. but it doesnt suit my taste. although, at least
> you
> > are honest that you shifted allegiances for your own cause. i never said
> i
> > disrespect the cause of kashmiris especially those who were displaced.
> but
> > it is unfortunate, like you, several of them have been misguided to
> believe
> > that it is a communal battle. but there are voices independent of these
> > communal ideas. i was in jammu art college for a month and spoke to
> several
> > artists following various faiths. without being biased towards the human
> > rights abuse in kashmir and cause of the kashmiris who have been
> displaced,
> > they were all united against the state policies in dealing with kashmir.
> >
> > they did not understand the communal side of the kashmir conflict. they
> > refused to. they were small in numbers, slightly whimsical about their
> works
> > but one voice from jammu and kashmir. i guess that was real. i would love
> > learn more from them instead of someone trying to educate me about where
> the
> > political parties are placed in the ideological spectrum of this country.
> >
> > thanks again for saying learn
> >  anupam
> >
> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Learn more Anupam.....you need to do that
> >>
> >> SFI was about student activism
> >> Indira Gandhi was a leader
> >> National Conference was the only party which could have defeated
> >> Muslim United Front
> >> Panun Kashmir is my right which needs to be supported by all people
> >>
> >> Do you need to learn more ?
> >>
> >> God Bless ......atleast you follow a faith...
> >>
> >> Pawan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Dear Pawan,
> >> >
> >> > I will be learning about emailing ethics for sure. you see its
> something
> >> new
> >> > to me.
> >> >
> >> > But looks like you've been quite a turncoat (if you what that means).
> you
> >> > started with SFI, moved to indira gandhi, then national conf, now
> Panun
> >> > Kashmir. how long do you plan to stick around with hindutva...trust me
> >> its
> >> > in fashion now. ideological/political trends in this country last for
> >> five
> >> > years.
> >> >
> >> > anyway...i dont intend to hurt your faith or idealogical inclinations.
> it
> >> is
> >> > a request that you should be real about your allegations. Like i dont
> >> trust
> >> > the commies, i have the same feeling for saffron. one rejects my
> faith,
> >> the
> >> > other puts a question mark on it by suppressing the true nature of it.
> my
> >> > faith is personal. it cannot assume a fanatical form like how various
> >> > saffron groups. it will contradict what upanishads or the gita says.
> >> > political form of hinduism is a contradiction to its very foundation.
> >> there
> >> > are several persons off all political hues who would agree to this
> very
> >> > nature of my faith. now its upto you how you want to manufacture
> opinion
> >> > around it.
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> > anupam
> >> >
> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Anupam ,
> >> >>
> >> >> I suggest you learn E-mailing before you blame gmail. I do not like a
> >> >> personal interaction going public irrespective of whether I am
> >> >> involved or not. Ethics come with responsibility and that is a word
> >> >> for you to understand.
> >> >>
> >> >> Being critical of 'sickular' also does not make  me a BJP cadre. I
> >> >> don't mind turning immature to teach some immatures.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for me , i would join the party i like some day when i feel . Till
> >> >> now I am not a member of any.
> >> >>
> >> >> I was an activist of SFI many years back in Kashmir , voted for
> >> >> National Conference when i was very young, Indira Gandhi ji was like
> >> >> revered like a mother , and I am a supporter of Panun Kashmir cause
> >> >> and not its member.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not wish to join politics for making 'loads of money' ....the
> day
> >> >> I wish .....i would have a red flag in my hand and a false commitment
> >> >> to labor class and a photo of non Indian on the wall behind the place
> >> >> i sit.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pawan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > dear pawan, gmail actually offers a direct reply...so unknowingly i
> >> might
> >> >> > have sent you the first mail. from the beginning itself i intended
> to
> >> >> make
> >> >> > this conversation public...so the question of ethics doesnt arise
> >> >> here..if
> >> >> > it has hurt you, i would blame it on the gmail.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > being critical of BJP's policy doesnt make me a red flag. looks
> like
> >> you
> >> >> > are really immature in political debates. why dont you give and do
> >> some
> >> >> > party work? its gainful employment..you can make loads of money.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear Anupam ji ,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You are as unethical as any red flag bearer is.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You preferred to have an offline conversation with me and suddenly
> >> you
> >> >> >> send the whole exchange to a discussion forum.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is this the ethics being taught by your senior comrades ? I pity
> you
> >> >> >> for not having learnt basic etiquette.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Your motives and conduct stink.....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pawan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > precisely, this is what you think...now why would BJP call the
> >> killing
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > muslims an unfortunate incident is what im surprised about? BJP
> >> >> actually
> >> >> >> > planned it...n thanks for telling me...if they have the guts
> >> demolish
> >> >> an
> >> >> >> > archealogical site, terrorising innocent people is their second
> >> >> nature.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yes , 100 crore Indian would fund it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > who? atal behari vajpeyee..he is not even there. instead we
> have
> >> >> more,
> >> >> >> >> shall
> >> >> >> >> > i say a "purified" version? of modi...mr varun gandhi. since
> u
> >> seem
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> >> > insider in the BJP, why not tell us who is funding the Ram
> >> Temple?
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> > be publicly funded...
> >> >> >> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Anupam Ji ,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Probably you read only those news item which carry the red
> flag
> >> .
> >> >> Has
> >> >> >> >> >> not the BJP also termed Gujarat incident as unfortunate.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Pawan
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> >> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > at least they acknowledge their acts unlike maya kodnani
> and
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> saffron
> >> >> >> >> >> > bandwagon who killed so many in gujarat. although its an
> >> >> >> interesting
> >> >> >> >> >> piece
> >> >> >> >> >> > of news.
> >> >> >> >> >> > anupam
> >> >> >> >> >> > On 4/5/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cpimdefensive-seeks-forgiveness/354025/
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Party cadres told to go to people and seek forgiveness
> for
> >> >> their
> >> >> >> acts
> >> >> >> >> >> >> committed in the past.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The CPI(M) in West Bengal has finally decided to do
> >> something
> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> had not done in the last three decades: seek people’s
> >> >> forgiveness.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Biman Bose, the state secretary of the ruling party, has
> >> >> >> repeatedly
> >> >> >> >> >> >> asked his party cadres to go to people and seek
> forgiveness
> >> for
> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> acts committed in the past. Earlier, Bose had gone to
> public
> >> >> while
> >> >> >> >> >> >> addressing an election meeting in Purulia, saying that
> “some
> >> of
> >> >> >> our
> >> >> >> >> >> >> leaders have become arrogant”. Though he did not identify
> >> any
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> those
> >> >> >> >> >> >> “arrogant” leaders, he later pursued the issue in the
> CPI(M)
> >> >> state
> >> >> >> >> >> >> secretariat and Left Front meetings. He also admitted in
> >> public
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> he had advised the party cadres to tender an apology to
> the
> >> >> people
> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> their past arrogance.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Following the CPI(M), the Forward Bloc (FB), another Left
> >> Front
> >> >> >> >> >> >> partner, has also taken the same approach. Yesterday, at
> a
> >> >> meeting
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the party’s trade union wing TUCC, FB state secretary
> Ashok
> >> >> Ghosh
> >> >> >> >> >> >> urged the cadres not to show arrogance in their behaviour
> >> >> towards
> >> >> >> >> >> >> people and also to seek forgiveness for their past acts,
> if
> >> >> any.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In other words, this is an admission from the top leaders
> >> that
> >> >> >> three
> >> >> >> >> >> >> decades of uninterrupted power has created a class of
> >> arrogant
> >> >> >> >> leaders
> >> >> >> >> >> >> and cadres which in turn is pushing the people away from
> the
> >> >> Left.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gurudas Dasgupta, the CPI MP from Bengal who is now busy
> >> >> fighting
> >> >> >> >> >> >> another electoral battle from Ghatal (after the
> delimitation
> >> >> >> process,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the old Panskura constituency has been renamed as
> Ghatal),
> >> >> feels
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> is good tactical move. “It is a defensive game, where
> >> defence
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> best offence,” he says.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> But the Opposition detects a streak of nervousness in
> these
> >> >> >> campaign
> >> >> >> >> >> >> tactics. Congress leader Manas Bhuian is convinced that
> the
> >> >> >> “CPI(M)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> now is nervous. It could read the writing on the wall and
> >> that
> >> >> >> forced
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it to change the tactic. But power has gone to their
> head.
> >> They
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> >> >> >> giddy with success and for that they can’t change their
> >> >> attitude
> >> >> >> >> >> >> overnight”.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sudip Banerjee, the TMC candidate from North Kolkata,
> feels:
> >> >> “The
> >> >> >> >> >> >> CPI(M) is now really on the defensive. But no matter how
> >> much
> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> tries
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to extricate itself from this position, it won’t succeed.
> It
> >> is
> >> >> >> too
> >> >> >> >> >> >> little and too late.”
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> But a section of CPI(M) leaders, who are close to Biman
> >> Bose,
> >> >> >> believe
> >> >> >> >> >> >> that this move might put a stop to the erosion of support
> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> rural
> >> >> >> >> >> >> areas where in the recent past the Left suffered a series
> of
> >> >> >> >> electoral
> >> >> >> >> >> >> setbacks.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Last year, after having a major debacle in the panchayat
> >> >> >> elections,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the party tried to find out the causes of the setback.
> The
> >> >> review
> >> >> >> >> >> >> brought out the seamy side of the party organisation at
> the
> >> >> >> >> grassroots
> >> >> >> >> >> >> level, where leaders have amassed huge power in their
> hands
> >> and
> >> >> >> >> turned
> >> >> >> >> >> >> into tyrants themselves. For the party, it was a
> revelation,
> >> >> but
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> people knew it already through their day to day
> experiences.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, along that line, a move to sideline some of
> >> those
> >> >> >> >> >> >> leaders in the election was also mooted by the leadership
> >> but
> >> >> >> finally
> >> >> >> >> >> >> discarded after considering it too hasty while finalising
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> candidates’ list.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> According to insiders, by asking the party cadres to be
> more
> >> >> >> humble
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> their approach to the people, Biman Bose also wants to
> send
> >> a
> >> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to those party satraps to fall in line.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is to be watched if the measures taken at the higher
> >> level
> >> >> can
> >> >> >> >> >> >> discipline the party organisation, but truly it is a
> >> climb-down
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the position they earlier used to enjoy in the state.
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