[Reader-list] Varun tortured in jail: BJP

Aditya Raj Kaul kauladityaraj at gmail.com
Fri Apr 17 21:38:55 IST 2009 

anupAm... you seems to be writing e-mails even in your bed. Mails seems to
be coming even after a crisp two lettered 'good night'. Sorry to intrude
into your privacy.

May you be a believer in Kali; if not a servant in her durbar. I know I
exist and so does Goddess Kali. Maybe you don't. Its somewhat funny. You
accuse me of being saffron. what are you black, red or maroon ? ..lol

fyi, PTI is not just another news wire. So you can't just rubbish this piece
of news item.

I know it isn't 'Music' to you ears.

I know writing e-mails on this forum is your pass time but now you can relax
a bit for your own sake friend. We can wait for tomorrow. Tomorrow will come
baby.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Rakesh,
>
> I can understand your concerns. But I really wanted to provide some cheap
> entertainment for this cheap piece of information (sourced from a
> newswire).
> Sarai is indeed a forum for discussion, which was happening till recently.
>
> I really apologise if I have hurt some of your sensibilities. I also had
> some expectations from this mailing list. For a very long time, without
> posting anything, I would read and read about the kind of debates that used
> to go on. Though there were people from all political hues and colour, the
> level of discussion was fantastic. The need to participate in it came when
> i
> saw that the debates which i liked the most were hijacked by people, who
> had
> no clue. I consciously decided to partipate putting forth the arguments,
> which i thought could work and not just plain rhetoric. most of these
> arguments were not purely based on reason, which has been a major drawback,
> but mostly reactions. reactions for other people's reactions.
>
> see there was one way, like how you say, that engage with clear reasoning
> and nothing would stop you from what you want to say. but you know most of
> the people, those who talk the most, including me are irrational people. or
> lets say this is an age of irrationalism.
>
> my irrationalism is mostly a counter-reaction. it is from experiences and
> sheer disrespect for arm chair intellectualism. people in india, commenting
> about north korea, while right under their noses a kid would dare to shoot
> his classmates with his father's gun...or burning each other's shop, taking
> the advantage of the state's interpretation -- that it was a riot -- and
> then sneaking inside the car of an insurance agent to claim the damages
> (with a fair share to the insurance).
>
> that's why i said it is easier for some of us to write arguments and
> counter
> arguments relying completely on the aristotle's mythical square of
> reasoning
> -- while resting our backs -- with an option to switch off this machine
> whenever we feel like. while, for the argument, it would just float around
> for a little while, until someone else picks it up.
>
> while learning whatever little i could gather from the buddhists, most of
> them would say buddha is the inexpressible, the non-entity, the not
> non-entity, a combination of both the truths or neither any of these
> truths.
>
> my irrationalism stems somewhere from here. i do not understand, how
> religions can become such an issue for me and you. i do not understand,
> that
> if there is a new way to understand the world, why it has to follow the
> ways
> of old world. why conform to only certain things while right here, someone
> is plotting things for you, so that you react. critical religious
> re-explorations could have been done keeping in mind change of times and
> eras. why arent we doing it? why anything which is anti-Hindu is seeing as
> anti-India? i dont think gita or koran or any of the text including text
> from buddhism are flawless. they are full of flaws, reasonable or absurd.
>
> this urge to define this diverse landmass by bringing under a mythical
> umbrella of one religion is something which i find deeply problemmatic. the
> clashes might have been communal but why this "educated and learned class"
> are behaving in such a way. my irrationalism stems from here. and i would
> cheat myself if i do not reply with equal spite and gusto with which i am
> bombed with such information. i am bound to. because there is nothing i can
> take from allegation of varun gandhi being tortured in the jail. because i
> derive this pleasure from the fact that he was beaten up by the police, and
> in case he wasnt then all this is hogwash. a press reporting of such
> allegation and subsequent posting of the article by Aditya was a clear
> propaganda.
>
> however, in case of the 23 muslims from sabarmati jail, i would say, since
> i
> have been covering crime issues related to the jails in Gujarat, is true.
> however, these incidents are not new. the 23 muslims who were bashed up
> have
> been put under defunct POTA in the Godhra carnage. for the past seven
> years,
> these people have been waiting for justice as many of them were picked up
> randomly by the police officials. one of them, iqbal hussain mamdu, who i
> had visited is blind. he was put under the custody because someone saw him
> loitering around the Godhra Railway station on February 27, 2002. he was
> booked for shouting slogans. when i visited his family in godhra, mamdus
> stay eight kilometres away from the railway station. mamdu cannot even walk
> past his mohalla and he was booked for inciting riots and subsequent
> burning
> of the Godhra train. there were people like siddiq badam, ibrahim charkha,
> who died of bone TB in the jail. you can check stories online as well.
>
> and then you have someone citing varun gandhi beaten up without even having
> the proof. WHY?
>
> i hope you consider these thoughts.
>
> -anupam
>
> On 4/17/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > see aditya kali can only bless me if people (especially saffronised) like
> > you exist. otherwise, kali doesnt really exist. you like varun have taken
> it
> > upon your shoulders to decide what Godess Kali does (I think you are the
> > standing committtee chairman in godess Kali's durbar) . so what will a
> tiny
> > believer like me can do here.
> >
> > so much for me and my imaginative world. good night
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/17/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh anupAm I so pity you dear! You so live in the imaginative world and
> are
> >> fooled within with no regret at all. You have patience dude..lol
> >>
> >> By the way, the news item was published by Press Trust of India (PTI).
> >> Wonder if u've ever heard of it ?
> >>
> >> I just posted something which didn't hit the headlines. Just like in the
> >> past the fake witnesses story of so called activist Teesta Setalvad
> didn't
> >> show up at many placed for obvious reasons.
> >>
> >> You are so great at your rhetoric friend. Go on with it and be blessed..
> >>
> >> ahhh anupam.. come on.. you need to shoot another one liner..
> >>
> >> Hope 'Kali Mata' blesses your understanding skills.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> > kindly take this as my reaction to a news item published by aditya raj
> >> kaul
> >> > because it was posted for my viewing. im expressing only those emotion
> >> > which
> >> > have occured to me instantly after reading this piece. so please bear
> it
> >> > and
> >> > like you all bear such pieces of information.
> >> > thanking you
> >> >
> >> > anupam
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4/17/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Who is 'we' here? are you threatening me? i hardly could care less.
> >> didnt
> >> > > you people are into name calling these days? varun is the best
> >> example.
> >> > >
> >> > > anyway..let me clarify..since you said dear varun who was tortured
> so
> >> > badly
> >> > > in the jail as per the piece of news you posted here to prove your
> >> > > allegiances to a political party, i asked you was he sterilised like
> a
> >> > dog?
> >> > > you could have replied in yes or no.
> >> > >
> >> > > you do not know anything about my past, so kindly keep away.by the
> >> way,
> >> > > varun is your friend? oh im very sorry for him. just make sure that
> he
> >> is
> >> > > alright ok?
> >> > >
> >> > > i just hope he was not sterilised. that would be such a loss to the
> >> > > country. so many like him would not be born. so many like him would
> >> not
> >> > say
> >> > > that he is a hindu, indian and what was the last one...gandhi. poor
> >> > varun.
> >> > > he could have just really gone back to london to get his real
> degree,
> >> but
> >> > > then he is a courageous young man. he wanted to do a pravin togadia
> >> and
> >> > > someone told me, he thought, that indians would make a t-shirt out
> of
> >> > him.
> >> > > but yeah all those things now are gone. he will probably be in the
> >> same
> >> > > league as rahul mahajan -- the saffron kids gone wrong club --
> >> attending
> >> > > laughter challenges. he would be really laughing. i am amazed by
> him.
> >> oh
> >> > > varun gandhi, i wish you hadnt lied about the LSE degree.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 4/17/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> well it really does dearest anupam.. you know your past really
> shapes
> >> > your
> >> > >> present actions..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> And we can see that well enough..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ...questions are asked 'coz of some insane one liners which is if I
> >> get
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> permission to remind you not really encouraged here on this
> forum..!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> so please..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> > c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> > >> >wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > why am i being asked so many questions...i feel bad about varun
> >> > gandhi.
> >> > >> > that's all. and i sincerely hope that he was not sterilised dog.
> as
> >> > you
> >> > >> he
> >> > >> > claims that he is a hindu, indian and gandhi, so if we go by all
> of
> >> > >> that,
> >> > >> > he
> >> > >> > is immune but if he was really touched and you know frisked
> around,
> >> > >> that's
> >> > >> > really sad.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > as for you, aditya my being in past, present or future doesnt
> >> really
> >> > >> apply
> >> > >> > here. so please.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On 4/17/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Anupam.. were you at some point of time in the past ? Just
> >> curious.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >> > >> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >> > >> > > >wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > Oh so sad. i hope he was not sterilised.
> >> > >> > > > On 4/17/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > Varun tortured in jail: BJP
> >> > >> > > > >      *Press Trust Of India*New Delhi, April 17, 2009
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > Alleging he was a victim of "vendetta politics", the BJP on
> >> > Friday
> >> > >> > > > claimed
> >> > >> > > > > that Varun Gandhi was tortured in jail, but he has emerged
> as
> >> a
> >> > >> > "strong
> >> > >> > > > > man".
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > "Varun Gandhi is a victim of the vendetta politics of Sonia
> >> > Gandhi
> >> > >> > and
> >> > >> > > > > Mayawati in Uttar Pradesh. He has come out (from jail) as a
> >> > strong
> >> > >> > man.
> >> > >> > > > He
> >> > >> > > > > will file his nomination papers from Pilibhit on April 21,"
> >> > party
> >> > >> > > > > spokesperson Balbir Punj told reporters in New Delhi on
> >> > Saturday.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > Punj, who briefed the media after holding discussions with
> >> Varun
> >> > >> at
> >> > >> > his
> >> > >> > > > > residence said, "Varun Gandhi has assured that he will
> >> continue
> >> > to
> >> > >> > work
> >> > >> > > > for
> >> > >> > > > > the party with the same energy and zeal despite all this".
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > The young leader will also campaign in other parts of the
> >> > country
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> > > the
> >> > >> > > > > party apart from his own constituency, he said.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > The BJP spokesperson also called upon his party colleagues
> >> and
> >> > >> > > candidates
> >> > >> > > > > to
> >> > >> > > > > "show restrain" in their speeches.
> >> > >> > > > >
> >> > >> > > > > Varun, was released on a two-week parole by the Supreme
> Court
> >> > >> after
> >> > >> > > > > spending
> >> > >> > > > > more than a week in Etah Jail after being booked under
> >> National
> >> > >> > > Security
> >> > >> > > > > Act
> >> > >> > > > > by the Uttar Pradesh government for his alleged hate
> >> speeches.
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