[Reader-list] Varun tortured in the jail, detention of vendetta politics.

[Venugopalan K M]

Mr Rajen, You seem to speak true to your conscience..but may I ask you
what authority you have to speak 'on behalf ' of people who opt for
Christianity or whatever religion, when it comes to tribals and
adivasis?Do you propose to suggest that the advivasis and tribals are
people without any right to exercise free wills? What kind of
criticism is that when you allege that  nuns of kerala drive sensual
pleasure besides monetary gains by engaging in proselytizing. What is
your locus standi  here? If you truly respect the Constitution, please
try to acknowledge that the nuns have their constitutional right to
propagate their faith as well as the tribals and adivasis do have
theirs to convert. But you simply do not have the right to stop by
force,though you can express your displeasure against proselytizing.
Instead, you would do better to ponder over why these poor people damn
the 'Hindu'-linked  identity of untouchables ,panchamas, rakshasas,
asuras, which only gives them perpetualized penury and susceptibility
to horrendous forms of institutionalized atrocities.
Lastly, what is that  you stand to loose,if at all these nuns do enjoy
sensual pleasures? I'm very happy to see this kind of hate speech in
your posts not because I like its content,but because it betrays one's
true colours, and people can always see through it...!..
 Still, you don't have any formal disagreement with the idea of human
rights, freedom of conscience, democracy and such finer aspects of
civility of mind..you would even object someone treating you as an
apologist of Godse for that reason, and that's great about you, if I'm
permitted to say. Perhaps that's the only reason why we talk to each
other.
But you seem to deny any issue of human rights existing there in
Gujarat and you don't find a case of human rights violation there in
Orissa, when christians are raped and killed for their alleged acts of
proselytizing/conversion. Your idea of human rights is punctuated with
sort of right to impunity and right to propagate hatred and violence
against christians,muslims ,adivasis,dalits and women of each tribe
including that of yours!

Best wishes,
Venu.




On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Rajen Uppinangadi
<rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> It is amusing to see the human rights activists, that too senior ones
> rushing to sabarmathi jail to see if the human rights are violated of bomb
> blasts accused, because they belong to a particular faith, and the amusing
> comments and counters in the list for another person who was detained in NSA
> for "alleged" remarks that he would be defender of another community against
> traitors of the nation, even self defence in case of attack and rape is not
> possible for the community if numerical strength is higher in society, they
> have to "tolerate" the insults.?
>
>  As to the human rights committee and its "senior" activists, it can be seen
> that one John Dayal, is the clergy of evangelists, rolling in foreign funds
> for "uplifting " of the poor souls in poor regions of India with priests and
> nuns of seminaries from Kerala who being unemployed, find the jobs of god's
> work quite pleasurable with lots of sensuous pleasure factored in., along
> with good pay and incentives for harvesting the souls of tribals and poor
> pagans.
>  As to accused in jails, who misbehave, who indulge in violence over
> trivial matters because they have support of "activists" who are again
> creation for vote bank politics is the real tragedy in democracy as these
> human right activists are more concerned of rights of inhumans in society
> than the rights of victims of their inhuman acts.
>
>  Democracy where sections get extra governance at the cost of discrimination
> to other sections, is not good governance. This extra governance is by and
> large due to the vote banks, because of the faith. Such a shame, and as to
> vasectomies, and varun,   Anupam has to remember that the coersion in the
> emergency days led to the defeat of the party and ballot answered the brute
> force in most humble and non violent manner.
>
> Also, if ones parents or father is deviant it does not necessarily follow
> that son is also deviant. To say that he will be defending his community
> against barbaric acts of fanatics is not an issue that indian media
> overhyped at the time of elections, and media has set the agenda for the
> parties and hate is the media game for awards and rewards.That  a  nation
> with one billion people should hear and watch the discussion about an
> "honest" prime minister and a prime minister in waiting talk of weak and
> strong , which are again relative subjective terms , is national waste of
> energy, instead, if only these weak PM and strong PM in waiting used their
> energies to enlighten the voters with what would be issues of good
> governance in the nation, it would greatly faciltate better understanding of
> what type of leadership the nation is going to get.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajen.
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