[Reader-list] BOYCOTT SECTARIAN AGENDAS

Murali V murali.chalam at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 12:00:28 IST 2009 

Dear Anupam,
Dear Anupam,

The issue of uniformity has still not been addressed. A burkha clad girl in
a school cannot be questioned and if done, the media and the entire
pseudo-seculars go all out to  call it hindu fanaticism.

Atma or the soul, life after death and re-birth are concepts which is their
in most faiths. Moreover the Gaytri mantra is also a breathing exercise as
the stanzas repeated in its correct form has set timings to control breath.

Regards,
V Murali

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Murali,
> Institutions run by religious sects would be like that only otherwise why
> would they set
> up schools in the name of their religions in the first place. Every
> religion has an agenda.
> More the followers more the currency. But what i am pointing towards is the
> fact that
> even a school run by a government, and just imagine how many schools are
> there all over
> India, indulges in practices, and "uniformly" so, which are nothing short
> of proselytisation.
> When my son is asked to chant a Hindu Gayatri Mantra, or prayers that talk
> of "Atma" and
> "Parmatma" isn't it silent conversion to Hindu faith by a government that
> needs to be neutral
> in terms of religion.
>
> When you level charges, let me tell you, "opposite is true too." So don't
> exert yourself so hard.
> Moreover, if i am discriminated against my religion that doesn't give me
> the right to read "fatwas"
> against people who "just" extend the boundaries of citizenship to our
> relief. I won't ask my little son
> to go and kill his classmates just because he is being asked to chant a
> "mantra" that he has come
> to believe he doesn't need to or is unjustified ( given my brainwashing) in
> the first place. He has the right
> to be nurtured in a world where he is not preordained into the watertight
> compartment of some religion.
>
> Things are not so simple and straightforward as you would have them to be.
> In a public discussion forum
> everybody needs to be patient and not panic just because some "fan-atic"
> has fanned an imaginary jingoitst
> or communal frenzy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Anupam,
>> I have never nor will I ever talk of destruction of any kind. My only
>> concern is that when we talk of secularism, it has to be followed with
>> absolute clarity and without any bias. It is only pseudo-secularism which
>> is
>> the norm.
>>
>> A school run by christian isnstitutions does not allow hindu boys to come
>> with Sandal paste on their foreheadin and  with a black towel worn around
>> the waist during the fasting period before going to Sabarimala, does not
>> allow girls to wear the traditional bindi on their forehead while a school
>> run by a hindu institution cannot object to the girl coming to school in a
>> Burkha.
>>
>> The word "uniform" is not applicable to some.
>>
>> Crores of Tax payers money is spent every year on the Mecca trip, while
>> Hindus will have to pay tax to go to the holy shrines atop the himalayas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Murali V
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>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:16 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Murli,
>> > I am really sorry to say the stories you have been posting about
>> > Murshidabad
>> > are far from true. It is the perspective of someone who has a sectarian
>> > understanding of the problem. You generalised the gang rivalry in the
>> > region
>> > to the slaying of the hindus. The problem here lies in the fact in the
>> > process of strenghtening your sectarian identity you tend to accomodate
>> a
>> > lot of devaints who could have otherwise found some gainful employment.
>> > Here
>> > there were two agrarian gangs fighting for resources like terrorism,
>> > manipulation and worst of all, lure of power with the help of fear and
>> > threats.
>> > I refuse to be manipulated. It is a personal protest demanding a fair
>> play.
>> > From very close quarters, I have seen the sectarian identity functioning
>> > seditiously, poisoning minds which could have done better than what they
>> > are
>> > doing. I dont want my brethren to be blinded by the propaganda of fear
>> from
>> > the state's side or from gun runners. Insecurity drives people crazy. A
>> > nation full of people, with their aspirations cannot be cheated to
>> perform
>> > such a heinous crime killing or plundering or looting. They inherently
>> want
>> > fair play although when manipulated, they needed to be told that there
>> is
>> > no
>> > point in worrying about who you are -- it is about what you are doing.
>> > Sir, nation building is not an easy task. Do you think in a homogenous
>> > society (as you speak for the Hindu community) you can stop the
>> individual
>> > aspirations? Lets say as a reaction you chased out devaints of all
>> kinds,
>> > and only your kinds exist, would you be able to control subversion? You
>> > cannot afford to be unfair here.
>> >
>> > I wont tell you about the multi-sectarian society and benefits that it
>> > brings. Because you know what it means and since as a reaction, you have
>> > also consciously chosen to deviate from such a possibility of multi
>> racial
>> > or sectarian society. But whether should i respect this deviance at the
>> > cost
>> > of accomodating all the wrong doings is something that needs a
>> > philosophical
>> > understanding. A historical and a subjective (i know this word is likely
>> > displease several readers here) understanding always accomodates
>> conflicts
>> > as the prime reason for all creations sectarian or otherwise (from small
>> > panchyats, to the demand for new railway stations to demand for a
>> seperate
>> > state hood). These reactions are provokative and instead of painful task
>> of
>> > solving these issues in light of rational solutions, it proposes an
>> easier
>> > victory over such ailments -- by destruction. It is from here, I said:
>> "I
>> > would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>> assurance
>> > to
>> > you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I will
>> > keep
>> > on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims." You
>> are
>> > most welcome to critique in the same rational, peaceful way not as
>> someone
>> > shouting "kill them all" in a discussion forums as this. Killing me is
>> not
>> > enough Sir.
>> > - with warm regards
>> > Anupam
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > And I shall also try to counter every one of your claims.
>> > > Regards,
>> > > V Murali
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:16 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Dear Rajen
>> > >> You can go on and be sectarian. The moderator in this reader's list
>> > doesnt
>> > >> seem to have a problem. And i respect your democratic rights sir that
>> > the
>> > >> constitution guarantees you. I am just calling for a boycott of such
>> > >> agendas.
>> > >> I would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>> > >> assurance
>> > >> to you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I
>> > will
>> > >> keep on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims.
>> > Take
>> > >> my word for that.
>> > >> Best wishes
>> > >> Anupam
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> > >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > sword is having both sides sharp.Your thoughts apply to all of us,
>> as
>> > we
>> > >> > post.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Regards,
>> > >> > Rajen.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> > >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Dear Rajen
>> > >> >> why are u pointing people, naming them? has anybody named you
>> rajen.
>> > i
>> > >> >> guess
>> > >> >> they (as in Taha and Javed) speak of it because you keep on
>> > questioning
>> > >> >> them
>> > >> >> pinpointing them all the time, makign generic statements against a
>> > >> >> community
>> > >> >> is something that you guys keep doing. i will never forget what
>> you
>> > >> said
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> meera rizvi (your surname suggest). first clean up your act then
>> > point
>> > >> out
>> > >> >> others
>> > >> >> -anupam
>> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> > >> >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > Dear Anupam jee,
>> > >> >> >     who owns the hindu religion, it i universal way of life, so
>> > also
>> > >> the
>> > >> >> > islam, but why a taha, a javed speak for it, do they own
>> islam.?If
>> > >> any
>> > >> >> of us
>> > >> >> > talk of ills our seculars have ready question that we do not
>> speak
>> > >> for
>> > >> >> > hindu, but they join to defend a husain for his right to express
>> > art
>> > >> in
>> > >> >> > deities in his style, but no right to art for his own faith.?
>> Art
>> > is
>> > >> >> > heartless when it is just art, but only commerce.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Regards,
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> > >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> Dear Rajen,
>> > >> >> >> My position has been same against all kinds of religious
>> > extremism.
>> > >> >> along
>> > >> >> >> with several other list members have been opposed to these
>> issues.
>> > >> if u
>> > >> >> >> can
>> > >> >> >> show me one instance which according to you contradicts my
>> earlier
>> > >> >> >> position,
>> > >> >> >> then i would like withdraw this boycott call from my side. I
>> wish
>> > to
>> > >> >> argue
>> > >> >> >> no more on this. i know you do not own hindu religion so my
>> advice
>> > >> is
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> >> u
>> > >> >> >> should assuming this self styled of this religion and criticise
>> > >> others.
>> > >> >> i
>> > >> >> >> do
>> > >> >> >> not expect a change of heart from u but in case if that happens
>> it
>> > >> is
>> > >> >> also
>> > >> >> >> welcome.
>> > >> >> >> - best wishes
>> > >> >> >> anupam
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rakesh Iyer <
>> > >> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > Dear all
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > I just read a story of the Panchatantra, and it seems to
>> > resonate
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> >> what
>> > >> >> >> > one of my friends told yesterday: 'People change, they do,
>> but
>> > >> don't
>> > >> >> >> force
>> > >> >> >> > them to change. They take it at their ego'
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > Here's hoping for that change one day from Murali ji, Rajen
>> ji,
>> > >> and
>> > >> >> >> others
>> > >> >> >> > of their like. And no more replies asking them to change or
>> > >> >> criticizing
>> > >> >> >> > them.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > Regards
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > Rakesh
>> > >> >> >> >
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>> > >> >> > --
>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
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