[Reader-list] BOYCOTT SECTARIAN AGENDAS

anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 11:58:00 IST 2009 

Dear Taraprakash,

Thanks for assuming the role of the moderator. For your kind information
sir, I have not been reiterating my boycott call over and over again. There
are people who are asking question and terming this call nonsensical, i feel
i should reply to them.

Thanks
Anupam


On 8/1/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Ram,
>
> Religiousity can exist without the political baggage of the fanatics.
> Banning the sects is not a solution but it only proposes homogenisation and
> a God less world. For some, this faith in god is simple, doesnt need the
> sanction of fanatical elements. I hope a careful assessment of the
> religiousity of the people has to be ascertained along with the several
> other surveys to understand this nation.
>
> "We have only two options: either we learn to live with "communal" strive
> that has
> become the order of the day or make a complete break with all our past that
> segregates us
> and begin anew. Its a tall order we know but nevertheless worth aspiring
> for. Atleast its better
> than the current non-sense of  just "boycotting the sectarian agendas"."
>
> I believe by "tall order" you meant religion or sect or similar things.
> These terms need introspection clearly in terms of philosophical basis. For
> settling your personal scores, it is not neccesary that one has find the
> religion as an excuse. Because most of the religious knowledge or the way it
> is being structured is in *a priori *form and as we have seen open to
> interpretations. However, the dynamic and progressive elements for all the
> religions are intact and often overlooked.
>
> Therefore, the appeal for boycott of the sectarian agenda which prescribes
> killing in the name of the religion still stands as opposed to how you have
> termed it as nonsensesical.
>
> Thanks and regards
> Anupam
>
>
>
> On 8/1/09, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Murali,
>> Institutions run by religious sects would be like that only otherwise why
>> would they set
>> up schools in the name of their religions in the first place. Every
>> religion has an agenda.
>> More the followers more the currency. But what i am pointing towards is
>> the fact that
>> even a school run by a government, and just imagine how many schools are
>> there all over
>> India, indulges in practices, and "uniformly" so, which are nothing short
>> of proselytisation.
>> When my son is asked to chant a Hindu Gayatri Mantra, or prayers that talk
>> of "Atma" and
>> "Parmatma" isn't it silent conversion to Hindu faith by a government that
>> needs to be neutral
>> in terms of religion.
>>
>> When you level charges, let me tell you, "opposite is true too." So don't
>> exert yourself so hard.
>> Moreover, if i am discriminated against my religion that doesn't give me
>> the right to read "fatwas"
>> against people who "just" extend the boundaries of citizenship to our
>> relief. I won't ask my little son
>> to go and kill his classmates just because he is being asked to chant a
>> "mantra" that he has come
>> to believe he doesn't need to or is unjustified ( given my brainwashing)
>> in the first place. He has the right
>> to be nurtured in a world where he is not preordained into the watertight
>> compartment of some religion.
>>
>> Things are not so simple and straightforward as you would have them to be.
>> In a public discussion forum
>> everybody needs to be patient and not panic just because some "fan-atic"
>> has fanned an imaginary jingoitst
>> or communal frenzy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Anupam,
>>> I have never nor will I ever talk of destruction of any kind. My only
>>> concern is that when we talk of secularism, it has to be followed with
>>> absolute clarity and without any bias. It is only pseudo-secularism which
>>> is
>>> the norm.
>>>
>>> A school run by christian isnstitutions does not allow hindu boys to come
>>> with Sandal paste on their foreheadin and  with a black towel worn around
>>> the waist during the fasting period before going to Sabarimala, does not
>>> allow girls to wear the traditional bindi on their forehead while a
>>> school
>>> run by a hindu institution cannot object to the girl coming to school in
>>> a
>>> Burkha.
>>>
>>> The word "uniform" is not applicable to some.
>>>
>>> Crores of Tax payers money is spent every year on the Mecca trip, while
>>> Hindus will have to pay tax to go to the holy shrines atop the himalayas.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Murali V
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:16 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Murli,
>>> > I am really sorry to say the stories you have been posting about
>>> > Murshidabad
>>> > are far from true. It is the perspective of someone who has a sectarian
>>> > understanding of the problem. You generalised the gang rivalry in the
>>> > region
>>> > to the slaying of the hindus. The problem here lies in the fact in the
>>> > process of strenghtening your sectarian identity you tend to accomodate
>>> a
>>> > lot of devaints who could have otherwise found some gainful employment.
>>> > Here
>>> > there were two agrarian gangs fighting for resources like terrorism,
>>> > manipulation and worst of all, lure of power with the help of fear and
>>> > threats.
>>> > I refuse to be manipulated. It is a personal protest demanding a fair
>>> play.
>>> > From very close quarters, I have seen the sectarian identity
>>> functioning
>>> > seditiously, poisoning minds which could have done better than what
>>> they
>>> > are
>>> > doing. I dont want my brethren to be blinded by the propaganda of fear
>>> from
>>> > the state's side or from gun runners. Insecurity drives people crazy. A
>>> > nation full of people, with their aspirations cannot be cheated to
>>> perform
>>> > such a heinous crime killing or plundering or looting. They inherently
>>> want
>>> > fair play although when manipulated, they needed to be told that there
>>> is
>>> > no
>>> > point in worrying about who you are -- it is about what you are doing.
>>> > Sir, nation building is not an easy task. Do you think in a homogenous
>>> > society (as you speak for the Hindu community) you can stop the
>>> individual
>>> > aspirations? Lets say as a reaction you chased out devaints of all
>>> kinds,
>>> > and only your kinds exist, would you be able to control subversion? You
>>> > cannot afford to be unfair here.
>>> >
>>> > I wont tell you about the multi-sectarian society and benefits that it
>>> > brings. Because you know what it means and since as a reaction, you
>>> have
>>> > also consciously chosen to deviate from such a possibility of multi
>>> racial
>>> > or sectarian society. But whether should i respect this deviance at the
>>> > cost
>>> > of accomodating all the wrong doings is something that needs a
>>> > philosophical
>>> > understanding. A historical and a subjective (i know this word is
>>> likely
>>> > displease several readers here) understanding always accomodates
>>> conflicts
>>> > as the prime reason for all creations sectarian or otherwise (from
>>> small
>>> > panchyats, to the demand for new railway stations to demand for a
>>> seperate
>>> > state hood). These reactions are provokative and instead of painful
>>> task of
>>> > solving these issues in light of rational solutions, it proposes an
>>> easier
>>> > victory over such ailments -- by destruction. It is from here, I said:
>>> "I
>>> > would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>>> assurance
>>> > to
>>> > you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I will
>>> > keep
>>> > on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims." You
>>> are
>>> > most welcome to critique in the same rational, peaceful way not as
>>> someone
>>> > shouting "kill them all" in a discussion forums as this. Killing me is
>>> not
>>> > enough Sir.
>>> > - with warm regards
>>> > Anupam
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > And I shall also try to counter every one of your claims.
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > V Murali
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:16 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>>> > >wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Dear Rajen
>>> > >> You can go on and be sectarian. The moderator in this reader's list
>>> > doesnt
>>> > >> seem to have a problem. And i respect your democratic rights sir
>>> that
>>> > the
>>> > >> constitution guarantees you. I am just calling for a boycott of such
>>> > >> agendas.
>>> > >> I would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>>> > >> assurance
>>> > >> to you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here
>>> I
>>> > will
>>> > >> keep on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your
>>> claims.
>>> > Take
>>> > >> my word for that.
>>> > >> Best wishes
>>> > >> Anupam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>>> > >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > sword is having both sides sharp.Your thoughts apply to all of us,
>>> as
>>> > we
>>> > >> > post.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Regards,
>>> > >> > Rajen.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>>> > >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Dear Rajen
>>> > >> >> why are u pointing people, naming them? has anybody named you
>>> rajen.
>>> > i
>>> > >> >> guess
>>> > >> >> they (as in Taha and Javed) speak of it because you keep on
>>> > questioning
>>> > >> >> them
>>> > >> >> pinpointing them all the time, makign generic statements against
>>> a
>>> > >> >> community
>>> > >> >> is something that you guys keep doing. i will never forget what
>>> you
>>> > >> said
>>> > >> >> to
>>> > >> >> meera rizvi (your surname suggest). first clean up your act then
>>> > point
>>> > >> out
>>> > >> >> others
>>> > >> >> -anupam
>>> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>>> > >> >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> > Dear Anupam jee,
>>> > >> >> >     who owns the hindu religion, it i universal way of life, so
>>> > also
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> >> > islam, but why a taha, a javed speak for it, do they own
>>> islam.?If
>>> > >> any
>>> > >> >> of us
>>> > >> >> > talk of ills our seculars have ready question that we do not
>>> speak
>>> > >> for
>>> > >> >> > hindu, but they join to defend a husain for his right to
>>> express
>>> > art
>>> > >> in
>>> > >> >> > deities in his style, but no right to art for his own faith.?
>>> Art
>>> > is
>>> > >> >> > heartless when it is just art, but only commerce.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Regards,
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>>> > >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> Dear Rajen,
>>> > >> >> >> My position has been same against all kinds of religious
>>> > extremism.
>>> > >> >> along
>>> > >> >> >> with several other list members have been opposed to these
>>> issues.
>>> > >> if u
>>> > >> >> >> can
>>> > >> >> >> show me one instance which according to you contradicts my
>>> earlier
>>> > >> >> >> position,
>>> > >> >> >> then i would like withdraw this boycott call from my side. I
>>> wish
>>> > to
>>> > >> >> argue
>>> > >> >> >> no more on this. i know you do not own hindu religion so my
>>> advice
>>> > >> is
>>> > >> >> that
>>> > >> >> >> u
>>> > >> >> >> should assuming this self styled of this religion and
>>> criticise
>>> > >> others.
>>> > >> >> i
>>> > >> >> >> do
>>> > >> >> >> not expect a change of heart from u but in case if that
>>> happens it
>>> > >> is
>>> > >> >> also
>>> > >> >> >> welcome.
>>> > >> >> >> - best wishes
>>> > >> >> >> anupam
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rakesh Iyer <
>>> > >> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>>> > >> >> >> wrote:
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> > Dear all
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > I just read a story of the Panchatantra, and it seems to
>>> > resonate
>>> > >> >> with
>>> > >> >> >> what
>>> > >> >> >> > one of my friends told yesterday: 'People change, they do,
>>> but
>>> > >> don't
>>> > >> >> >> force
>>> > >> >> >> > them to change. They take it at their ego'
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > Here's hoping for that change one day from Murali ji, Rajen
>>> ji,
>>> > >> and
>>> > >> >> >> others
>>> > >> >> >> > of their like. And no more replies asking them to change or
>>> > >> >> criticizing
>>> > >> >> >> > them.
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > Regards
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > Rakesh
>>> > >> >> >> >
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>>> > >> >> > --
>>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>>> > >> >> >
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