[Reader-list] BOYCOTT SECTARIAN AGENDAS

Murali V murali.chalam at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 12:21:56 IST 2009 

That is because U had stated that Gayatri Mantra is of religious nature
which I had countered.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:19 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Murali,
>
> My issue here why are we discussng burqa clad women going to school on this
> reader's list sir. what difference did it make to your belief system or how
> did it threaten your existence? Also if chanting Gayatri mantra helps you
> to
> breathe better how or why does this reader's list has to bear the effects?
>
> -anupam
>
> On 8/1/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Anupam,
> >
> > Dear Anupam,
> >
> >
> > The issue of uniformity has still not been addressed. A burkha clad girl
> in
> > a school cannot be questioned and if done, the media and the entire
> > pseudo-seculars go all out to  call it hindu fanaticism.
> >
> >
> > Atma or the soul, life after death and re-birth are concepts which is
> their
> > in most faiths. Moreover the Gaytri mantra is also a breathing exercise
> as
> > the stanzas repeated in its correct form has set timings to control
> breath.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > V Murali
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Murali,
> >> Institutions run by religious sects would be like that only otherwise
> why
> >> would they set
> >> up schools in the name of their religions in the first place. Every
> >> religion has an agenda.
> >> More the followers more the currency. But what i am pointing towards is
> >> the fact that
> >> even a school run by a government, and just imagine how many schools are
> >> there all over
> >> India, indulges in practices, and "uniformly" so, which are nothing
> short
> >> of proselytisation.
> >> When my son is asked to chant a Hindu Gayatri Mantra, or prayers that
> talk
> >> of "Atma" and
> >> "Parmatma" isn't it silent conversion to Hindu faith by a government
> that
> >> needs to be neutral
> >> in terms of religion.
> >>
> >> When you level charges, let me tell you, "opposite is true too." So
> don't
> >> exert yourself so hard.
> >> Moreover, if i am discriminated against my religion that doesn't give me
> >> the right to read "fatwas"
> >> against people who "just" extend the boundaries of citizenship to our
> >> relief. I won't ask my little son
> >> to go and kill his classmates just because he is being asked to chant a
> >> "mantra" that he has come
> >> to believe he doesn't need to or is unjustified ( given my brainwashing)
> >> in the first place. He has the right
> >> to be nurtured in a world where he is not preordained into the
> watertight
> >> compartment of some religion.
> >>
> >> Things are not so simple and straightforward as you would have them to
> be.
> >> In a public discussion forum
> >> everybody needs to be patient and not panic just because some "fan-atic"
> >> has fanned an imaginary jingoitst
> >> or communal frenzy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Anupam,
> >>> I have never nor will I ever talk of destruction of any kind. My only
> >>> concern is that when we talk of secularism, it has to be followed with
> >>> absolute clarity and without any bias. It is only pseudo-secularism
> which
> >>> is
> >>> the norm.
> >>>
> >>> A school run by christian isnstitutions does not allow hindu boys to
> come
> >>> with Sandal paste on their foreheadin and  with a black towel worn
> around
> >>> the waist during the fasting period before going to Sabarimala, does
> not
> >>> allow girls to wear the traditional bindi on their forehead while a
> >>> school
> >>> run by a hindu institution cannot object to the girl coming to school
> in
> >>> a
> >>> Burkha.
> >>>
> >>> The word "uniform" is not applicable to some.
> >>>
> >>> Crores of Tax payers money is spent every year on the Mecca trip, while
> >>> Hindus will have to pay tax to go to the holy shrines atop the
> himalayas.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Murali V
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> tion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:16 AM, anupam chakravartty <
> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Dear Murli,
> >>> > I am really sorry to say the stories you have been posting about
> >>> > Murshidabad
> >>> > are far from true. It is the perspective of someone who has a
> sectarian
> >>> > understanding of the problem. You generalised the gang rivalry in the
> >>> > region
> >>> > to the slaying of the hindus. The problem here lies in the fact in
> the
> >>> > process of strenghtening your sectarian identity you tend to
> accomodate
> >>> a
> >>> > lot of devaints who could have otherwise found some gainful
> employment.
> >>> > Here
> >>> > there were two agrarian gangs fighting for resources like terrorism,
> >>> > manipulation and worst of all, lure of power with the help of fear
> and
> >>> > threats.
> >>> > I refuse to be manipulated. It is a personal protest demanding a fair
> >>> play.
> >>> > From very close quarters, I have seen the sectarian identity
> >>> functioning
> >>> > seditiously, poisoning minds which could have done better than what
> >>> they
> >>> > are
> >>> > doing. I dont want my brethren to be blinded by the propaganda of
> fear
> >>> from
> >>> > the state's side or from gun runners. Insecurity drives people crazy.
> A
> >>> > nation full of people, with their aspirations cannot be cheated to
> >>> perform
> >>> > such a heinous crime killing or plundering or looting. They
> inherently
> >>> want
> >>> > fair play although when manipulated, they needed to be told that
> there
> >>> is
> >>> > no
> >>> > point in worrying about who you are -- it is about what you are
> doing.
> >>> > Sir, nation building is not an easy task. Do you think in a
> homogenous
> >>> > society (as you speak for the Hindu community) you can stop the
> >>> individual
> >>> > aspirations? Lets say as a reaction you chased out devaints of all
> >>> kinds,
> >>> > and only your kinds exist, would you be able to control subversion?
> You
> >>> > cannot afford to be unfair here.
> >>> >
> >>> > I wont tell you about the multi-sectarian society and benefits that
> it
> >>> > brings. Because you know what it means and since as a reaction, you
> >>> have
> >>> > also consciously chosen to deviate from such a possibility of multi
> >>> racial
> >>> > or sectarian society. But whether should i respect this deviance at
> the
> >>> > cost
> >>> > of accomodating all the wrong doings is something that needs a
> >>> > philosophical
> >>> > understanding. A historical and a subjective (i know this word is
> >>> likely
> >>> > displease several readers here) understanding always accomodates
> >>> conflicts
> >>> > as the prime reason for all creations sectarian or otherwise (from
> >>> small
> >>> > panchyats, to the demand for new railway stations to demand for a
> >>> seperate
> >>> > state hood). These reactions are provokative and instead of painful
> >>> task of
> >>> > solving these issues in light of rational solutions, it proposes an
> >>> easier
> >>> > victory over such ailments -- by destruction. It is from here, I
> said:
> >>> "I
> >>> > would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
> >>> assurance
> >>> > to
> >>> > you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I
> will
> >>> > keep
> >>> > on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims." You
> >>> are
> >>> > most welcome to critique in the same rational, peaceful way not as
> >>> someone
> >>> > shouting "kill them all" in a discussion forums as this. Killing me
> is
> >>> not
> >>> > enough Sir.
> >>> > - with warm regards
> >>> > Anupam
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > And I shall also try to counter every one of your claims.
> >>> > > Regards,
> >>> > > V Murali
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:16 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >>> c.anupam at gmail.com
> >>> > >wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Dear Rajen
> >>> > >> You can go on and be sectarian. The moderator in this reader's
> list
> >>> > doesnt
> >>> > >> seem to have a problem. And i respect your democratic rights sir
> >>> that
> >>> > the
> >>> > >> constitution guarantees you. I am just calling for a boycott of
> such
> >>> > >> agendas.
> >>> > >> I would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
> >>> > >> assurance
> >>> > >> to you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas
> here
> >>> I
> >>> > will
> >>> > >> keep on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your
> >>> claims.
> >>> > Take
> >>> > >> my word for that.
> >>> > >> Best wishes
> >>> > >> Anupam
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> >>> > >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> > sword is having both sides sharp.Your thoughts apply to all of
> us,
> >>> as
> >>> > we
> >>> > >> > post.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > Regards,
> >>> > >> > Rajen.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >>> > >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >> Dear Rajen
> >>> > >> >> why are u pointing people, naming them? has anybody named you
> >>> rajen.
> >>> > i
> >>> > >> >> guess
> >>> > >> >> they (as in Taha and Javed) speak of it because you keep on
> >>> > questioning
> >>> > >> >> them
> >>> > >> >> pinpointing them all the time, makign generic statements
> against
> >>> a
> >>> > >> >> community
> >>> > >> >> is something that you guys keep doing. i will never forget what
> >>> you
> >>> > >> said
> >>> > >> >> to
> >>> > >> >> meera rizvi (your surname suggest). first clean up your act
> then
> >>> > point
> >>> > >> out
> >>> > >> >> others
> >>> > >> >> -anupam
> >>> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> >>> > >> >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >> > Dear Anupam jee,
> >>> > >> >> >     who owns the hindu religion, it i universal way of life,
> so
> >>> > also
> >>> > >> the
> >>> > >> >> > islam, but why a taha, a javed speak for it, do they own
> >>> islam.?If
> >>> > >> any
> >>> > >> >> of us
> >>> > >> >> > talk of ills our seculars have ready question that we do not
> >>> speak
> >>> > >> for
> >>> > >> >> > hindu, but they join to defend a husain for his right to
> >>> express
> >>> > art
> >>> > >> in
> >>> > >> >> > deities in his style, but no right to art for his own faith.?
> >>> Art
> >>> > is
> >>> > >> >> > heartless when it is just art, but only commerce.
> >>> > >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> > Regards,
> >>> > >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> > Rajen.
> >>> > >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> >>> > >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> > >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >> Dear Rajen,
> >>> > >> >> >> My position has been same against all kinds of religious
> >>> > extremism.
> >>> > >> >> along
> >>> > >> >> >> with several other list members have been opposed to these
> >>> issues.
> >>> > >> if u
> >>> > >> >> >> can
> >>> > >> >> >> show me one instance which according to you contradicts my
> >>> earlier
> >>> > >> >> >> position,
> >>> > >> >> >> then i would like withdraw this boycott call from my side. I
> >>> wish
> >>> > to
> >>> > >> >> argue
> >>> > >> >> >> no more on this. i know you do not own hindu religion so my
> >>> advice
> >>> > >> is
> >>> > >> >> that
> >>> > >> >> >> u
> >>> > >> >> >> should assuming this self styled of this religion and
> >>> criticise
> >>> > >> others.
> >>> > >> >> i
> >>> > >> >> >> do
> >>> > >> >> >> not expect a change of heart from u but in case if that
> >>> happens it
> >>> > >> is
> >>> > >> >> also
> >>> > >> >> >> welcome.
> >>> > >> >> >> - best wishes
> >>> > >> >> >> anupam
> >>> > >> >> >>
> >>> > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rakesh Iyer <
> >>> > >> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> >>> > >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> > >> >> >>
> >>> > >> >> >> > Dear all
> >>> > >> >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >> > I just read a story of the Panchatantra, and it seems to
> >>> > resonate
> >>> > >> >> with
> >>> > >> >> >> what
> >>> > >> >> >> > one of my friends told yesterday: 'People change, they do,
> >>> but
> >>> > >> don't
> >>> > >> >> >> force
> >>> > >> >> >> > them to change. They take it at their ego'
> >>> > >> >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >> > Here's hoping for that change one day from Murali ji,
> Rajen
> >>> ji,
> >>> > >> and
> >>> > >> >> >> others
> >>> > >> >> >> > of their like. And no more replies asking them to change
> or
> >>> > >> >> criticizing
> >>> > >> >> >> > them.
> >>> > >> >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >> > Regards
> >>> > >> >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >> > Rakesh
> >>> > >> >> >> >
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> >>> > >> >> > --
> >>> > >> >> > Rajen.
> >>> > >> >> >
> >>> > >> >> >
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