[Reader-list] BOYCOTT SECTARIAN AGENDAS

anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 12:24:39 IST 2009 

Dear Murali,

I never spoke about Gayatri Mantri or anything about it. Where does this
come from sir? I think you must be mistaken.

-Anupam


On 8/1/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is because U had stated that Gayatri Mantra is of religious nature
> which I had countered.
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:19 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Murali,
>>
>> My issue here why are we discussng burqa clad women going to school on
>> this
>> reader's list sir. what difference did it make to your belief system or
>> how
>> did it threaten your existence? Also if chanting Gayatri mantra helps you
>> to
>> breathe better how or why does this reader's list has to bear the effects?
>>
>> -anupam
>>
>> On 8/1/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Anupam,
>> >
>> > Dear Anupam,
>> >
>> >
>> > The issue of uniformity has still not been addressed. A burkha clad girl
>> in
>> > a school cannot be questioned and if done, the media and the entire
>> > pseudo-seculars go all out to  call it hindu fanaticism.
>> >
>> >
>> > Atma or the soul, life after death and re-birth are concepts which is
>> their
>> > in most faiths. Moreover the Gaytri mantra is also a breathing exercise
>> as
>> > the stanzas repeated in its correct form has set timings to control
>> breath.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > V Murali
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Murali,
>> >> Institutions run by religious sects would be like that only otherwise
>> why
>> >> would they set
>> >> up schools in the name of their religions in the first place. Every
>> >> religion has an agenda.
>> >> More the followers more the currency. But what i am pointing towards is
>> >> the fact that
>> >> even a school run by a government, and just imagine how many schools
>> are
>> >> there all over
>> >> India, indulges in practices, and "uniformly" so, which are nothing
>> short
>> >> of proselytisation.
>> >> When my son is asked to chant a Hindu Gayatri Mantra, or prayers that
>> talk
>> >> of "Atma" and
>> >> "Parmatma" isn't it silent conversion to Hindu faith by a government
>> that
>> >> needs to be neutral
>> >> in terms of religion.
>> >>
>> >> When you level charges, let me tell you, "opposite is true too." So
>> don't
>> >> exert yourself so hard.
>> >> Moreover, if i am discriminated against my religion that doesn't give
>> me
>> >> the right to read "fatwas"
>> >> against people who "just" extend the boundaries of citizenship to our
>> >> relief. I won't ask my little son
>> >> to go and kill his classmates just because he is being asked to chant a
>> >> "mantra" that he has come
>> >> to believe he doesn't need to or is unjustified ( given my
>> brainwashing)
>> >> in the first place. He has the right
>> >> to be nurtured in a world where he is not preordained into the
>> watertight
>> >> compartment of some religion.
>> >>
>> >> Things are not so simple and straightforward as you would have them to
>> be.
>> >> In a public discussion forum
>> >> everybody needs to be patient and not panic just because some
>> "fan-atic"
>> >> has fanned an imaginary jingoitst
>> >> or communal frenzy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear Anupam,
>> >>> I have never nor will I ever talk of destruction of any kind. My only
>> >>> concern is that when we talk of secularism, it has to be followed with
>> >>> absolute clarity and without any bias. It is only pseudo-secularism
>> which
>> >>> is
>> >>> the norm.
>> >>>
>> >>> A school run by christian isnstitutions does not allow hindu boys to
>> come
>> >>> with Sandal paste on their foreheadin and  with a black towel worn
>> around
>> >>> the waist during the fasting period before going to Sabarimala, does
>> not
>> >>> allow girls to wear the traditional bindi on their forehead while a
>> >>> school
>> >>> run by a hindu institution cannot object to the girl coming to school
>> in
>> >>> a
>> >>> Burkha.
>> >>>
>> >>> The word "uniform" is not applicable to some.
>> >>>
>> >>> Crores of Tax payers money is spent every year on the Mecca trip,
>> while
>> >>> Hindus will have to pay tax to go to the holy shrines atop the
>> himalayas.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Murali V
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> tion
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:16 AM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >>> >wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Dear Murli,
>> >>> > I am really sorry to say the stories you have been posting about
>> >>> > Murshidabad
>> >>> > are far from true. It is the perspective of someone who has a
>> sectarian
>> >>> > understanding of the problem. You generalised the gang rivalry in
>> the
>> >>> > region
>> >>> > to the slaying of the hindus. The problem here lies in the fact in
>> the
>> >>> > process of strenghtening your sectarian identity you tend to
>> accomodate
>> >>> a
>> >>> > lot of devaints who could have otherwise found some gainful
>> employment.
>> >>> > Here
>> >>> > there were two agrarian gangs fighting for resources like terrorism,
>> >>> > manipulation and worst of all, lure of power with the help of fear
>> and
>> >>> > threats.
>> >>> > I refuse to be manipulated. It is a personal protest demanding a
>> fair
>> >>> play.
>> >>> > From very close quarters, I have seen the sectarian identity
>> >>> functioning
>> >>> > seditiously, poisoning minds which could have done better than what
>> >>> they
>> >>> > are
>> >>> > doing. I dont want my brethren to be blinded by the propaganda of
>> fear
>> >>> from
>> >>> > the state's side or from gun runners. Insecurity drives people
>> crazy. A
>> >>> > nation full of people, with their aspirations cannot be cheated to
>> >>> perform
>> >>> > such a heinous crime killing or plundering or looting. They
>> inherently
>> >>> want
>> >>> > fair play although when manipulated, they needed to be told that
>> there
>> >>> is
>> >>> > no
>> >>> > point in worrying about who you are -- it is about what you are
>> doing.
>> >>> > Sir, nation building is not an easy task. Do you think in a
>> homogenous
>> >>> > society (as you speak for the Hindu community) you can stop the
>> >>> individual
>> >>> > aspirations? Lets say as a reaction you chased out devaints of all
>> >>> kinds,
>> >>> > and only your kinds exist, would you be able to control subversion?
>> You
>> >>> > cannot afford to be unfair here.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I wont tell you about the multi-sectarian society and benefits that
>> it
>> >>> > brings. Because you know what it means and since as a reaction, you
>> >>> have
>> >>> > also consciously chosen to deviate from such a possibility of multi
>> >>> racial
>> >>> > or sectarian society. But whether should i respect this deviance at
>> the
>> >>> > cost
>> >>> > of accomodating all the wrong doings is something that needs a
>> >>> > philosophical
>> >>> > understanding. A historical and a subjective (i know this word is
>> >>> likely
>> >>> > displease several readers here) understanding always accomodates
>> >>> conflicts
>> >>> > as the prime reason for all creations sectarian or otherwise (from
>> >>> small
>> >>> > panchyats, to the demand for new railway stations to demand for a
>> >>> seperate
>> >>> > state hood). These reactions are provokative and instead of painful
>> >>> task of
>> >>> > solving these issues in light of rational solutions, it proposes an
>> >>> easier
>> >>> > victory over such ailments -- by destruction. It is from here, I
>> said:
>> >>> "I
>> >>> > would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>> >>> assurance
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I
>> will
>> >>> > keep
>> >>> > on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims."
>> You
>> >>> are
>> >>> > most welcome to critique in the same rational, peaceful way not as
>> >>> someone
>> >>> > shouting "kill them all" in a discussion forums as this. Killing me
>> is
>> >>> not
>> >>> > enough Sir.
>> >>> > - with warm regards
>> >>> > Anupam
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > And I shall also try to counter every one of your claims.
>> >>> > > Regards,
>> >>> > > V Murali
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:16 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >>> > >wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> Dear Rajen
>> >>> > >> You can go on and be sectarian. The moderator in this reader's
>> list
>> >>> > doesnt
>> >>> > >> seem to have a problem. And i respect your democratic rights sir
>> >>> that
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > >> constitution guarantees you. I am just calling for a boycott of
>> such
>> >>> > >> agendas.
>> >>> > >> I would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>> >>> > >> assurance
>> >>> > >> to you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas
>> here
>> >>> I
>> >>> > will
>> >>> > >> keep on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your
>> >>> claims.
>> >>> > Take
>> >>> > >> my word for that.
>> >>> > >> Best wishes
>> >>> > >> Anupam
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> >>> > >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> > sword is having both sides sharp.Your thoughts apply to all of
>> us,
>> >>> as
>> >>> > we
>> >>> > >> > post.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Regards,
>> >>> > >> > Rajen.
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >>> > >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >> Dear Rajen
>> >>> > >> >> why are u pointing people, naming them? has anybody named you
>> >>> rajen.
>> >>> > i
>> >>> > >> >> guess
>> >>> > >> >> they (as in Taha and Javed) speak of it because you keep on
>> >>> > questioning
>> >>> > >> >> them
>> >>> > >> >> pinpointing them all the time, makign generic statements
>> against
>> >>> a
>> >>> > >> >> community
>> >>> > >> >> is something that you guys keep doing. i will never forget
>> what
>> >>> you
>> >>> > >> said
>> >>> > >> >> to
>> >>> > >> >> meera rizvi (your surname suggest). first clean up your act
>> then
>> >>> > point
>> >>> > >> out
>> >>> > >> >> others
>> >>> > >> >> -anupam
>> >>> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> >>> > >> >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >> > Dear Anupam jee,
>> >>> > >> >> >     who owns the hindu religion, it i universal way of life,
>> so
>> >>> > also
>> >>> > >> the
>> >>> > >> >> > islam, but why a taha, a javed speak for it, do they own
>> >>> islam.?If
>> >>> > >> any
>> >>> > >> >> of us
>> >>> > >> >> > talk of ills our seculars have ready question that we do not
>> >>> speak
>> >>> > >> for
>> >>> > >> >> > hindu, but they join to defend a husain for his right to
>> >>> express
>> >>> > art
>> >>> > >> in
>> >>> > >> >> > deities in his style, but no right to art for his own
>> faith.?
>> >>> Art
>> >>> > is
>> >>> > >> >> > heartless when it is just art, but only commerce.
>> >>> > >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> > Regards,
>> >>> > >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>> >>> > >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >>> > >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>> > >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >> Dear Rajen,
>> >>> > >> >> >> My position has been same against all kinds of religious
>> >>> > extremism.
>> >>> > >> >> along
>> >>> > >> >> >> with several other list members have been opposed to these
>> >>> issues.
>> >>> > >> if u
>> >>> > >> >> >> can
>> >>> > >> >> >> show me one instance which according to you contradicts my
>> >>> earlier
>> >>> > >> >> >> position,
>> >>> > >> >> >> then i would like withdraw this boycott call from my side.
>> I
>> >>> wish
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > >> >> argue
>> >>> > >> >> >> no more on this. i know you do not own hindu religion so my
>> >>> advice
>> >>> > >> is
>> >>> > >> >> that
>> >>> > >> >> >> u
>> >>> > >> >> >> should assuming this self styled of this religion and
>> >>> criticise
>> >>> > >> others.
>> >>> > >> >> i
>> >>> > >> >> >> do
>> >>> > >> >> >> not expect a change of heart from u but in case if that
>> >>> happens it
>> >>> > >> is
>> >>> > >> >> also
>> >>> > >> >> >> welcome.
>> >>> > >> >> >> - best wishes
>> >>> > >> >> >> anupam
>> >>> > >> >> >>
>> >>> > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rakesh Iyer <
>> >>> > >> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> > >> >> >>
>> >>> > >> >> >> > Dear all
>> >>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >> > I just read a story of the Panchatantra, and it seems to
>> >>> > resonate
>> >>> > >> >> with
>> >>> > >> >> >> what
>> >>> > >> >> >> > one of my friends told yesterday: 'People change, they
>> do,
>> >>> but
>> >>> > >> don't
>> >>> > >> >> >> force
>> >>> > >> >> >> > them to change. They take it at their ego'
>> >>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >> > Here's hoping for that change one day from Murali ji,
>> Rajen
>> >>> ji,
>> >>> > >> and
>> >>> > >> >> >> others
>> >>> > >> >> >> > of their like. And no more replies asking them to change
>> or
>> >>> > >> >> criticizing
>> >>> > >> >> >> > them.
>> >>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >> > Regards
>> >>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >> > Rakesh
>> >>> > >> >> >> >
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>> >>> > >> >> > --
>> >>> > >> >> > Rajen.
>> >>> > >> >> >
>> >>> > >> >> >
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