[Reader-list] Feudalism in Pakistan

Wed Aug 5 12:02:00 IST 2009

Dear Rajen,

I fully agree with you, that devotion by worshiping in temples is alone not
a true reflection of ones goodness. I believe in a way of living which is
driven by my conscience and which will never interfere or affect others.

At the same time I will not sit and watch all the aspersions cast by the
pseudo-seculars on devout followers of the faith "Way of living".

Regards,
V Murali

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Murali,     for many spokespersons, self appointed, that is, like
> Rakesh, in the hope of catching the grace of prince charming to be in
> politics, the only way to reply is brand others as "religious" and it is his
> right to perceive me as he prefers, I need not clarify or assent or disagree
> with him about my person being religious which I am not.
>       For me , God is in all living beings, not in any place of worships,
> as these place of worships are only reflection of their "shraddha",
> (devotion does not comprehend all the intricacies of the word shraddha) in
> their faiths. I prefer to use the words which convey full meanings as
> English is foreign to me,use it for good for communication to the extent
> possible with words known to me.
>
>    As to his conclusion that "obsession" of mine, it is his learned opinion
> which he has right to rightly or otherwise.
>
> As to the post of the learned friend, Abbasi, it is a fact that in any
> nation, inspite of democratic rule, the feudal lords always hold the power,
> for their gains, belonging to different faiths, castes and clans, even in
> India, yadav, reddy and gowdas are too many to mention, and ofcourse who can
> overlook a owaisi, anthony and many who camouflage the faith with  common
> names in circulation like rahul Roberto maino or a priyanka Elisabeth Vadhra
> or a mahesh batt..? In Pakistan, the fuedal lords lord over the system much
> more than in this nation in their area of command.This is a major difference
> in the nations of Pakistan and India.
>
> It is amusing that when I reiterate that good of governance shall be to
> all, no to discrimination on the basis of faith, caste and region, that
> these spokespersons become super active.?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajen.
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rakesh Ji,
>>
>> Here are some of the very word of Gandhi.
>> On Conversion and In this respect, it is very pertinent to read what
>> Mahatma
>> Gandhi said during his time. "If instead of confining themselves purely to
>> humanitarian work such as education, medical services to the poor and the
>> like, they would use these activities of their for the purpose of
>> proselytising, I would certainly like them to withdraw.  Every nation
>> considers its own faith to be as good as that of any other.  Certainly the
>> great faiths held by the people of India are Adequate for her people.
>>  India
>> stands in no need of conversion from one faith to another." (M.  K.
>> Gandhi,
>> "Foreign Missionaries," Young India, April 23, 1931, p.83.)"
>>
>> Just how strongly Gandhi felt about Christian missionaries in India can be
>> gauged from his recorded comments: "If I had the power and could
>> legislate,
>> I should certainly stop all proselytising.
>> " 1. Gandhi's writing: "The effect of Christianity upon India in
>> general...has been disastrous." Shourie, p.6)
>> <
>> http://www.ndtvgoodtimes.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=990&id=917103&tablename=News
>> >
>> 2. Gandhi to Krezenski, a visiting professor of Philosophy from Poland,
>> who
>> had told him that Catholicism was the only true religion : "The idea of
>> conversion, I assure you is the deadliest poison that ever sapped the
>> fountain of truth." (Shourie, p.11)
>> <
>> http://www.ndtvgoodtimes.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=990&id=917103&tablename=News
>> >
>> 3. Gandhi to a visiting missionary nurse: "The other day a missionary
>> descended on a famine area with money in his pocket, distributed it among
>> the famine-stricken, converted them to his fold, took charge of their
>> temple
>> and demolished it. This is outrageous. This friend goes and gets it
>> demolished at the hands of the very men who only a little while ago
>> believed
>> that God was there." (Shourie, p. 17)
>> <
>> http://www.ndtvgoodtimes.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=990&id=917103&tablename=News
>> >
>> 4. Gandhiji: "If I had the power and could legislate, I should certainly
>> stop all proselytising." (Collected Works, Vol 61, page 46-47; Shourie, p.
>> 38).
>> <
>> http://www.ndtvgoodtimes.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=990&id=917103&tablename=News
>> >
>> 5. Several missionaries tried to convert Gandhi. When they failed, one of
>> the reverend gentlemen, writes Mahadev Desai, "retired with the
>> imprecation...'Mr. Gandhi, soon there will come a day when you will be
>> judged, not in your righteousness, but in the righteousness of Jesus.' "
>> (Collected Works, Vol 60, p.323; Shourie, p. 240) Gandhiji drew attention
>> to
>> it again and again. The services were incidental. They were the means. The
>> objective was to convert the natives to Christianity. "The Collected Works
>> of Gandhi" contain several accounts as do Mahadev Desai's "Diaries" in
>> which
>> missionaries acknowledged to Gandhiji that the institutions and services
>> are
>> incidental, that the aim is to gather a fuller harvest of converts for the
>> Church. Our father of the nation, Mahatma Gandhi, with all his religious
>> tolerance, was extremely articulate in opposing the conversion activities
>> of
>> Christian missionaries in India and questioned their motives in
>> establishing
>> educational institutions and other services in India. Just how strongly
>> Gandhi felt about Christian missionaries in India can be gauged from his
>> following recorded comment: Gandhiji: "If I had the power and could
>> legislate, I should certainly stop all proselytising." (Collected Works,
>> Vol
>> 61, page 46-47;)<
>> http://www.ndtvgoodtimes.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=990&id=917103&tablename=News
>> >
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> V Murali
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Rajen jee
>> >
>> > Even Gandhi jee, inspite of being faithful, was not too obsessed to
>> > religion
>> > like you are. And he used religion in a positive sense (not many know
>> but
>> > he
>> > asked good Hindus to prove themselves to be good Hindus by fighting
>> against
>> > the British rule, in a non-violent way of course).
>> >
>> > So faith need not always be a problem. And please don't mix issues. I
>> hope
>> > in reply to this, you will not send another mail which adds more issues
>> to
>> > this, like Manmohan being a transgender, defence scams, media being
>> > elitist,
>> > RSS being always attacked.....Sach ka Saamna being against Indian
>> > culture...blah...blah...blah....
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Rakesh
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