[Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

subhrodip sengupta sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in
Wed Aug 12 09:33:31 IST 2009 

Dear anupam,
Indeed, you remind me of a time when to have a vote, one needed an estate, thats the outcome of discrimination--- robbing people gradually from ceratin means to at times the basest of mean................
A horrific world lulled on ignorance and haTRED LAY AHEAD, not all of us have cellular phones, and  we do need public booths they do exist where I live, see spending on someting for me is different and denying me that which is mine is entirely a different issue. If kinda the booth operator allows only ISD calls, U do have reason to complaint.......
About majority commission, Imran does acknowledge the way muslims stick to each other, and claims, how things are self-imposed leading to seperatist forces, and as I've argued having non-veg or a muslim neighbour should never disease the piety of our own homes, whatever perceptions one might have of such people( He has his own wife, and family, I can only remotely visualise him kissing other women on streets, but then we may have our own comfort zones and ideals, but is anyhow wise not to bark on them)..........
But then one might always say Is Int paththar ki diwaaron ki bich Jungle ka kanoon hi to chalta hain, for such ignorant, awaits the predator......
regards,
Subhrodip.




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From: anupam chakravartty <c..anupam at gmail.com>
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 1:35:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

Dear Malik jee,
The idea of having reverse discrimination can only be realised if there is
discrimination. We do have a judiciary to take care of that. The idea of
discrimination is an elusive one. There can be also discrimination against
people who do not want to use a mobile phone and instead depends on Public
Call Booths because the larger society opted for cellular phones. How have
we accomodated people without mobile phones in the society? But not many us
are ready to complain because we accomodate technological marvels of certain
group of people involved in designing them for us so that it brings us
benefits. But we do have the right to reject them on the grounds that I dont
want to be mobile with a phone, of all things. So what am i left with? Say I
am stuck in East of Kailash, and there is not a single phone booth around
here to make a phone call. I have the option of walking only ( as i have
only twenty bucks in my pocket) to AIIMS. I bet my last tenner for you, i am
sure you can theorise on this.
What you call small means a lot to me. Someone getting discriminated doesnt
have to neccesarily conform to vote bank politics. I guess such arguments
can also exist independently out of the mainstream political scenario. A
person not getting a shelter because of a societal rule in an urban area
where crores of people work, get their wages, steal, beg, borrow, live, shit
is something horrible.
-Anupam

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Dear Mr Sengupta,
>                  What I wanted to emphasize was small issues do come up and
> they need not necessarily be taken as being based on religion.The example I
> gave was to let the people know if you a right, others too have a right. In
> the experience of the Society, to the best of my knowledge Muslims were not
> barred.I never made an issue because I understand the people who have formed
> a Society have certain rights.Even if I wished to make an issue, I couldn't
> have because I belong to the majority community and as such have no
> Commission where I could have made a complaint.
> Don't you think the reverse discrimination never happens, but I have yet to
> see anyone highlighting it.
> Would not it have been more appropriate if the Govt had created a
> Discrimination Commission( or Anti-Discrimination Commission) where every
> citizen who was discriminated against could go and file an application
> instead of a Minorities Commission  and such other Commissions? But ,Sir
> that won't have given the ruling political party vote banks.
> Regards,
>
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> > To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:00 PM
> > Hashmi dd not complaint against one
> > person alone, being a popular actor, especially in the
> > present youth he forwarded a point. There's nothing wrong in
> > not lending your house to a mohammadan. There's nothing wron
> > when a MOHAMMEDAN STANDS AND SHELTERS EXCLUSIVELY ANOTHER,
> > BE HE A TERRORIST! I do not support terrorist but if your
> > logic alone need work, sheltering terrorist is nt a crime. .
> > ......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > To: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>;
> > Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 3:15:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> >
> > Dear all,
> > Thanks for your interesting comments which does not let one
> > fall silent..
> > Let me go by your arguments, a group of Brahmins, possibly
> > marathis who are vegetarians.
> > So, what makes up a hindu bramhin, things he /she does, a
> > lower acste what they do.......
> > One wont believe it nowadays, but more than five decades
> > ago, Muslims were marked by their consumption of onion, and
> > in reverse, only lower caste and Muslims swere supposed to
> > consume raw onions! Then I assume these BRahmins, or god
> > knows whoever they are; are discriminating against not only
> > muslims alone...........................................
> > Fine for those who believe Constitution is just another book
> > of rules which need to be bent as we like, Article on
> > equality is very clear on this, but for those who look for
> > social consciousness and outcomes, it's not just
> > distracting, but rather alarming. How will these people live
> > when one of their daughter's shall reveal she has had had
> > sex with a mohammedan and a christian, apart from 3 other
> > hindu boys? Will then they resort to more basic methods of
> > public retribution and disgracing? Alas. Interestingly
> > nether the fal wallahs nor the sweepers are
> > Brahmins........... As for Beef consumption,
> > Consumption of nothing in my house can make yours impure,
> > these society wallahs, should have more sense than
> > conducting Raam Leelas, Hanuman pujas , where interestingly
> > revel is there, something which they stay should be behind
> > doors.,...........
> > I have beef inside my house no strong smell disturrrbs you,
> > it's finer than lift does not work, water supply does not
> > come, to the latter they should restrict their problem. What
> > about consumption of liquor. Then they should have things
> > like surprise checks. Let me not go into frivolous things,
> > if the argument is correct, they are actually committing a
> > bigger crime, a prejudice and friction against a bigger
> > section of society.
> >
> >
> >
> > About Hashmi:
> > Any one who now a days stands up is first accused of trying
> > to attain cheap publicity, even shiny ahuja's maid! Fine as
> > a statement from dominant ones who'd else loose power, but
> > we buying into such things. Things are pretty clear it is
> > assumed.......(on what basis?)
> >
> > He has been a bold-based actor. Is it less amusing that
> > his case such people as who date married, women, bring in
> > joys, challenge social perceptions, or even do bold roles in
> > movies are cheap. But lest be sure lets pass one resolution,
> > they are not prostitutes, many of us would have to apply for
> > license then, being students orf social
> > experiments..........
> >
> >
> > Regards,(hopefully I got more audience for this despicable,
> > cheap actor who behaves like what onstage)
> >
> >
> > & LOVE
> >
> >
> > Subhrodip
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 1:33:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> >
> > If I were to explain further on Malik's statement, If
> > somebody is rejected
> > because of being a non-vegetarian, and if the person
> > happens to belong to a
> > minority community, I am sure, it would be twisted to be
> > one because of
> > being in the community and all hell would be let loose by
> > the
> > Pseudo-seculars and the media.
> >
> > Regards,
> > V Murali
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I only hope it's for the sake of disallowing the
> > non-vegetarians and not
> > > for disallowing the Muslims.
> > >
> > >
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