[Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

subhrodip sengupta sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in
Wed Aug 12 09:48:05 IST 2009 

Dear Mr Malik,
I do agree to your ideals, ther is no anti-discrimination law in India. Where things are provided we do not obey. Discrimination is subtle and we need to identify it's subtle forms, eg  a case of gender discrimination, where every body re inforces false perceptions,an aids patient never invited to local functions. To protect ourselves we need a community, when that is not there then a commission gets set up. Why do I need to go to court for a man who cheats me if I can fix him myself? When the community turns against somebody, then one needs defence, by law or by vengeance, which is related to fear...
Rights do exist simultaneously and they can be enjoyed even in a society, I guess that is why we live in it, provided we do not step overboard and get fetish about them. Then we get feudal, and restrict our immagination to temples and mosques, divorced from other needs....... And as far vote banks or any politics is concerned, never mind democracy, in the limit, tables are set up like that, numbers do not add up unless we do them, for any policy one needs strong and desperate people supporting it not many people behind it, who wont bother to budge...........
Regards,
Subhrodip.

 



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From: A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
To: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 12:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn


Dear Mr Sengupta,
                  What I wanted to emphasize was small issues do come up and they need not necessarily be taken as being based on religion.The example I gave was to let the people know if you a right, others too have a right. In the experience of the Society, to the best of my knowledge Muslims were not barred.I never made an issue because I understand the people who have formed a Society have certain rights.Even if I wished to make an issue, I couldn't have because I belong to the majority community and as such have no Commission where I could have made a complaint.
Don't you think the reverse discrimination never happens, but I have yet to see anyone highlighting it.
Would not it have been more appropriate if the Govt had created a Discrimination Commission( or Anti-Discrimination Commission) where every citizen who was discriminated against could go and file an application instead of a Minorities Commission  and such other Commissions? But ,Sir that won't have given the ruling political party vote banks.
Regards, 

(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Tue, 8/11/09, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:00 PM
> Hashmi dd not complaint against one
> person alone, being a popular actor, especially in the
> present youth he forwarded a point. There's nothing wrong in
> not lending your house to a mohammadan. There's nothing wron
> when a MOHAMMEDAN STANDS AND SHELTERS EXCLUSIVELY ANOTHER,
> BE HE A TERRORIST! I do not support terrorist but if your
> logic alone need work, sheltering terrorist is nt a crime. .
> ......
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> To: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>;
> Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 3:15:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> 
> Dear all,
> Thanks for your interesting comments which does not let one
> fall silent.
> Let me go by your arguments, a group of Brahmins, possibly
> marathis who are vegetarians.
> So, what makes up a hindu bramhin, things he /she does, a
> lower acste what they do.......
> One wont believe it nowadays, but more than five decades
> ago, Muslims were marked by their consumption of onion, and
> in reverse, only lower caste and Muslims swere supposed to
> consume raw onions! Then I assume these BRahmins, or god
> knows whoever they are; are discriminating against not only
> muslims alone............................................
> Fine for those who believe Constitution is just another book
> of rules which need to be bent as we like, Article on
> equality is very clear on this, but for those who look for
> social consciousness and outcomes, it's not just
> distracting, but rather alarming. How will these people live
> when one of their daughter's shall reveal she has had had
> sex with a mohammedan and a christian, apart from 3 other
> hindu boys? Will then they resort to more basic methods of
> public retribution and disgracing? Alas. Interestingly
> nether the fal wallahs nor the sweepers are
> Brahmins........... As for Beef consumption,
> Consumption of nothing in my house can make yours impure,
> these society wallahs, should have more sense than
> conducting Raam Leelas, Hanuman pujas , where interestingly
> revel is there, something which they stay should be behind
> doors.,...........
> I have beef inside my house no strong smell disturrrbs you,
> it's finer than lift does not work, water supply does not
> come, to the latter they should restrict their problem. What
> about consumption of liquor. Then they should have things
> like surprise checks. Let me not go into frivolous things,
> if the argument is correct, they are actually committing a
> bigger crime, a prejudice and friction against a bigger
> section of society.
> 
> 
> 
> About Hashmi:
> Any one who now a days stands up is first accused of trying
> to attain cheap publicity, even shiny ahuja's maid! Fine as
> a statement from dominant ones who'd else loose power, but
> we buying into such things. Things are pretty clear it is
> assumed.......(on what basis?)
> 
> He has been a bold-based actor. Is it less amusing that
> his case such people as who date married, women, bring in
> joys, challenge social perceptions, or even do bold roles in
> movies are cheap. But lest be sure lets pass one resolution,
> they are not prostitutes, many of us would have to apply for
> license then, being students orf social
> experiments..........
> 
> 
> Regards,(hopefully I got more audience for this despicable,
> cheap actor who behaves like what onstage)
> 
>  
> & LOVE
> 
> 
> Subhrodip
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 1:33:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> 
> If I were to explain further on Malik's statement, If
> somebody is rejected
> because of being a non-vegetarian, and if the person
> happens to belong to a
> minority community, I am sure, it would be twisted to be
> one because of
> being in the community and all hell would be let loose by
> the
> Pseudo-seculars and the media.
> 
> Regards,
> V Murali
> 
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I only hope it's for the sake of disallowing the
> non-vegetarians and not
> > for disallowing the Muslims.
> >
> >
> >
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