[Reader-list] Crime and No Punishment: Malegaon Blast Accused Get a Respite

[anupam chakravartty]

Dear Rajen

"society always recognizes that terrorist apprehended is muslim by name, but
muslims are not terrorists."

Which society are you referring to sir? People who you can incite by saying
such things. speaking ill for one community in such a way is really horrible
sir. you are a senior person here. you contradict the first line that you
are citing: "propaganda by few for their livelihood is not new to society,
but the individuals in society can feel the difference of the words and
actions."

I am individual whether u notice or not, i can say that you are peddling
your RSS propaganda through this forum. You do it very consciously, making
statements about the society and other such things. had you been a just, an
unbiased person, you would NOT have said these lines. your problem with the
muslims are historical, the present generation (people who earn their
livelihoods from the muslim community) have not done anything wrong to you
per se. why dont you speak against arun gawli, or violent MNS, or gujarati
rioters who are seeking refuge in US and UK, absconding trial? these are
also terrorists. they went around in jeeps plundering killing people across
the fields. there are live footages of that as proof. because of the sick
judiciary of gujarat, these cases have been turned into cliches. why would
you speak? after all, you consider yourself to be this self styled preacher
for the aspirational indian who wants to toil hard in the sun, and earn his
own livelihood. your vested interest lies in the fact that you want to
establish a land for hindus. you justify their actions as reactions. you
have been doing so. please do not ask me show examples, because if i do
you'd be defaced here. so stop spewing venom and yes this is very much a
personal attack on you sir. it is utterly disgusting for me to read such
views, however i consider this forum also as an outlet for expression. the
democratic right that you use here to express your views also comes with
duties. so please keep your propaganda aside. do not make these categorical
judgements instead cite the particulars. it helps one to cite contrary also
and then may be a decisive debate. this name-suggestion business in
apprehending terrorist only lasts because these names are used/abused
sometimes by their own community and on other occasions by people like you,
who have these ideas that terrorists are some kind of alien race. NO they
are very much from here, from this mind which has been poisoned by this
sectarian politics. the underworld, the mafia, the ideological guerilla, the
terrorists (islamic or hindu) are born out of conflicts. because we do not
have conflict resolution mechanisms in place anywhere in the world. because
we prefer the easy way out just by bombing, or sending young minds on to the
seas to attack innocent people.

i apologise if i am harsh here but your statements are beginning make me
think i should discard india as a country. it should just seize to exist as
the chinese have foolishly proposed.

-anupam



On 8/12/09, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Javed,
> propaganda by few for their livelihood is not new to society, but the
> individuals in society can feel the difference of the words and actions. In
> any organisation, when volunteers are many, some may be deviant, some
> compliant, that is the reason, society always recognizes that terrorist
> apprehended is muslim by name, but muslims are not terrorists.Like any
> other
> deviants some on the fringes may feel that they have to retaliate the
> violence, but what individuals in society fail to understand is violence
> only breeds more of it. There are enough propaganda and speeches that go on
> in society, after nammaaz I also had to bear the hate speech on the
> loudspeakers regularly but that does not mean that mulsims are preaching
> hatred, only some mullas do it for their collecton to soar.!
>
> And there are new type of evangelists who are "chrstian brahmins" who
> preach "vedas" for the gullible,  with foreign funds,as the new bible of
> Veda.!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajen.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rajen
> > You say that "RSS does not hate Muslims or Christians", but you seem
> > to be ignoring all the hate-propaganda literature that is produced by
> > RSS and its allies, and the fact that RSS shakhas in small towns
> > brainwash little children against Muslims. Have you seen these 2
> > documentary films called "Boys in the Branch" and "Men in the Trees"
> > (directed by Lalit Vachani) that explore exactly how the RSS
> > infiltrates the minds of youngsters. Do watch them if you can.
> > Working for the nation is fine, but at whose cost?
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rajendra Bhat
> > Uppinangadi<rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Rakesh jee,
> > >   you have your intellect to analyse and judge, you are free citizen of
> > > India, but your sweeping judgement of RSS is absolutely wrong, and you
> > are
> > > entitled to your views, but alteast have the patience to see the
> working
> > of
> > > RSS before you start quoting from the articles of regular baiters like
> > > Ashish Nandy and the tribe of pseudo -seculars, let me re-assert, RSS
> > does
> > > not hate muslims or christians, RSS men and women are volantary men and
> > > women who work for the nation , that too with the hope that the wall in
> > the
> > > partition of 1947 will be brought down, all live with harmony and peace
> > > irrespective of their faith, no faith followers dominating the
> "majority"
> > or
> > > "minority" on the basis of faith, converting from faiths to garner
> votes
> > > with vote banks.
> > > Muslims demanded partition and got it, but worked and struggled with
> all
> > > against slavery and  the British rule, but the land mass was not loot
> > after
> > > robbery to be distributed after freedom. Only 23 percent went to the
> > > partitioned land, rest assured the leaders and the nation that they
> will
> > be
> > > living harmoniously with their hindu brothers, but we have seen the
> > deviant
> > > in them, and the silent majority of muslims tolerating such deviants
> with
> > > NGOs.
> > > As to the deviants of the lot, they are emboldened by the fact that
> they
> > > though, in very small quantum, numerically, have supporters in so
> > > called pseudo seculars who have love of freedom to fight for any faith
> as
> > > legal., but not hindu, because then it is communal, not secular.!
> > > Regards,
> > > Rajen.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Rajen jee
> > >>
> > >> While it certainly is a questionable practice not to declassify the
> > >> documents of intelligence of about more than 30 years ago, you seem to
> > make
> > >> a complete mockery of the investigations in the Malegaon case, as if
> > Hindus
> > >> can not be party to any terror blasts within the country, more so
> those
> > who
> > >> believe in the 'Hindutva' ideology.
> > >>
> > >> This is a wrong value-based position and I strongly disagree with it.
> > One
> > >> must not forget that the Sangh Parivar is such is based on the
> > ideological
> > >> position of disregarding the rights of the minorities to a life of
> > dignity,
> > >> and this is certainly a shame when compared with the ideals on which
> the
> > >> Indian Constitution was and is still based. (Unless of course you
> > believe
> > >> that the Constitution itself is a shame to begin with).
> > >>
> > >> Any matter must be thoroughly investigated and only after proper
> > >> investigations should we derive conclusions from it. Whether it be
> > Malegaon
> > >> or Mumbai blasts, this should be the way to go. Also, if matters
> > relating to
> > >> the case are present in the public domain, they should be presented to
> > the
> > >> public from the point of view of both sides (the accuser and the
> > accused).
> > >> And specifically, if people have doubts regarding the direction or
> > certain
> > >> matters within the case, these can and should be raised in the media
> and
> > >> elsewhere for public discussion.
> > >>
> > >> The shameful part is that in India, when someone is claimed to be a
> > >> terrorist, he/she is taken to be one irrespective of whether the final
> > >> investigations indeed state the same or not. The basic notion of
> > 'innocent
> > >> until proven guilty' is reversed to be stated as 'guilty even if
> termed
> > >> innocent by courts' in such cases. Whether it be Geelani or Sadhvi
> > Pragya
> > >> Thakur, that has happened. I have not seen the concerned articles as
> > >> mentioned by Mr. Puniyani, but I believe that unless one has evidence
> to
> > >> prove the judgement as wrong, or valid questions regarding the basis
> on
> > >> which the judgement was made, one should not make atrocious
> allegations
> > of
> > >> this kind.
> > >>
> > >> Therefore, on the same grounds as I feel that Puniyani jee's side may
> be
> > >> wrong, I equally feel that your side can also be wrong.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Rakesh
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rajen.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rajen.
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