[Reader-list] Crime and No Punishment

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Dear Murali V
Could you please give us the accurate sources for the statements you
have quoted, especially the page number of "India Wins Freedom" (for
#3), and for #5 and 6.

J

On 8/14/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
> A SIMI has an ideiology, Seventh Adventists have an ideology and the
> list goes on.
>
> Just as many others have no other business but claiming to be secular
> and constant bashing on any one talking pro-hinduism and calling hindu
> fanaticism.
>
> Krishna fought for justice and he has also stated that to get justice
> no method is wrong or dubious.
>
> Talking of ideologies
>
> 1. At this point I would like to quote his very words of St Xavier.
> “When I have finished baptising the people, I order them to destory
> the huts in which they keep their idols; and I have them break the
> statues of their idols into tiny pieces, since they are now
> Christians. I could never come to an end describing to you the great
> consolation which fills my soul when I see idols being destroyed by
> the hands of those who had been idolaters,” (from The Letters and
> Instructions of Francis Xavier, 1993, pp 117-8).
>
> 2. Seven states, led by Italy, urged the union to recognise a
> "historical truth" and refer explicitly to the "Christian roots of
> Europe" in its new constitution. The largely Catholic states of Italy
> Poland, Lithuania, Malta, Portugal, the Czech Republic and Slovakia
> have made clear they want more. The Vatican has made clear that it
> wants a reference to Christianity in the document. "If you are the
> prime minister of a Catholic country it would be very useful to have
> the Pope on your side, especially when you hold a referendum on the
> constitution," said one diplomat. It is an Irony, that VATICAN wants
> christianity included in the Constitution of the EU, while scoffing at
> certain sections stance of a HINDU nation.
>
> 3. Maulana Abul Kalam Azad  was against partition, but the intentions
> were sinister. Do you know what Maulana Abul Kalam Azad had to say on
> the partition which he had stated in his book. Maulana Abdul Kalam
> Azad, a so-called 'liberal' and 'secular' Muslim, led a campaign
> against 'Vande Maataram' on the grounds that it was 'anti-Islamic'. He
> had opposed the partition of India and Jawaharlal Nehru was quick to
> declare him 'a great nationalist leader', but the Maulana in his book
> "India Wins Freedom" has discussed the reason for his opposition. He
> was of the opinion that the creation of a separate Muslim state would
> divide the Muslim population and India would have fewer number of
> Muslims, thus dealing a blow to the process of Islamization of India,
> hence the opposition.
>
> 4. In 1924, Tagore's genuine fears about the divided loyalty of
> Muslims appeared in Times of India (18-4-1924): 'A very important
> factor which is making it almost impossible for Hindu-Muslim unity to
> become an accomplished fact is that the Muslims cannot confine their
> patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked many Muslims
> whether, in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, they
> would stand side by side with their Hindu neighbours to defend their
> common motherland, I was not satisfied with the reply I got from them.
> I can definitely state that such men as Mr.Mohammed Ali have declared
> that under no circumstances is it permissible for any Mohammden
> whatever be his country to stand against any Mohammadan'.
>
> 5. Maulana Mohammed Ali who paid this 'noble' (!!) tribute to Mahatma
> Gandhi in 1924 in Aligarh and Ajmer: 'However pure Mr. Gandhiji's
> character may be, he must appear to me from the point of view of
> religion inferior to any Mussalman, even though he be without
> character'. An year later when he was questioned at a public meeting
> in Lucknow, the immortal and irreplaceable Maulana Mohammed Ali
> cheerfully accepted and even 'improved' (!!) upon his previous command
> performance by saying: Yes, according to my religion and creed, I do
> hold an adulterous and a fallen Mussalman to be better than Mahatma
> Gandhi. That is religion over national pride for you.
>
> 6. Maulana Mohammed Ali was given the supreme honour by the
> ever-nervous towards the Muslims, Congress Party to preside over the
> Kakinada Session of the Congress in 1923. Mr.Mohammed Ali declared
> that under no circumstances is it permissible for any Mohammden
> whatever be his country to stand against any Mohammadan".
>
> 7. The Vatican Ideology
> The previous pope during the World Parliament of Religions passed a
> resolution a few years ago proclaiming that all religions were various
> pathways to One Ultimate Reality and called for unity and brotherhood
> of all religions, the Vatican came out with a prompt rejection of the
> view and emphatically proclaimed that Roman Catholicism was the only
> true religion and others could not be accepted to be true.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Regards,
> V Murali
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think this reminds me that all of us must clearly specify our biases. I
>> think that would be better off because it is a critical issue. At least
>> let
>> us be honest to ourself and towards others in this forum, rather than
>> shooting from the back and speaking on behalf of others while not
>> accepting
>> it publicly.
>>
>> To begin with, my first bias is clearly against RSS, and I have no issues
>> in
>> accepting that. Why I do so, is something I have already specified many
>> times. My bias against them, is mostly on their ideology towards other
>> religions, and the acts they and their sister organizations have indulged
>> in. I don't think all the human rights organizations along with some of
>> the
>> 'sickular' (if that's what Pawan jee refers to for someone secular)
>> organizations can all be telling lies. Someone has got to be speaking the
>> truth, at least the victims if nothing else.
>>
>> My bias is not towards parties but towards policies, and it's a pro-bias.
>> What is important is policies which help the people at large, rather than
>> lead to mutual acrimony and bickering. It seems that is the case on this
>> forum, where now Rajen ji, Murali ji, and a few others have no other
>> business but going in style on Hindutva and Hindu-Muslim issues.
>>
>> For them, the only thing I wish to remind is that India is not just
>> Gujarat
>> or Modi-pradesh. It is too diverse to even have one single ideology as its
>> cornerstone and foundation. And the struggle for justice and for freedoms
>> (which in itself includes some kind of responsibility) will continue.
>> Because for me, justice and freedoms are more important than Hinduism,
>> Islam
>> or even Hindutva.
>>
>> And it's something which Krishna himself fought for, the right to justice,
>> which I remember today on the occasion of Janmashtami.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rakesh
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