[Reader-list] What if Jaswant was a Muslim

Murali V murali.chalam at gmail.com
Wed Aug 26 13:45:48 IST 2009 

Giving Colours or not is again how one appreciates it and so it
getting wiped or not is again individual way of life.

Regards,
V Murali

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:24 PM, <tulunadu at hotmail.com> wrote:
> If at all it has survived, even as a way of life, it is because of colors
> that gave a form to this so-called way of life. These colors were more than
> a rainbow could hold. A large percentage of these colors have been wiped out
> and a single saffron color is standing on the graves of lost colors and
> suppressing whatever colors that remain.
>
> Domination of a single color means other colors are not free- they can not
> express themselves and if they don't - you don't see them, naturally the
> dominator becomes the one and the only supreme being! I now understand why
> Pakistan is prone to dictatorships or for that matter any country that is
> prone to dictatorship (Left/Right or centre)
> Denial of colors is dangerous for India and to Hinduism or Mural's "way of
> living"
>
> Thanks Inder for:
>
> "Jinnah painted only one canvas in his life. The creation of Pakistan,with
> one colour only"
> "I dont know which way Jinnah would have given free hand to other smaller
> artists to fill their spaces with their own colours"
> "India started with three colours at least, and Hussain added colours to
> this unique Nehur's dream"
>
> I don't think I have go beyond these words to understand freedom
>
> Chaithanya
>
>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:39:22 +0530
>> From: murali.chalam at gmail.com
>> To: c.anupam at gmail.com
>> CC: reader-list at sarai.net
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] What if Jaswant was a Muslim
>>
>> Hinduism is not a religion, but a way of living. It doesnt require to
>> compete with any religion as there can be no competition between
>> apples and oranges.
>>
>> Hinduism has survived for several thousands of years and has even
>> survived during the mughal onslaught.
>>
>> The doctrines available in hinduism is so vast, that no one can claim
>> mastery over it and therefore pass judgement of what it can offer or
>> not offer.
>>
>> Regards,
>> V Murali
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, anupam chakravartty<c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > "Firstly, Hinduism is a territorial concept, and as a religion has
>> > nothing
>> > to offer in the international arena  in order to compete with other
>> > dominant
>> > religious philosophies of  the world, i.e. Islam and  Christianity, and
>> > secondly,  as a theocratic state  it could not survive  in the wake of
>> > the
>> > overwhelming  Muslim population and  the oil-rich Islamic states in the
>> > world."
>> >
>> > I can understand Dr Sherwani's frustrations with nationalist (read
>> > Hindu)
>> > chauvinism. however, there are pitfalls in his argument. the reader is
>> > requested not to generalise from the following statements because the
>> > argument against the bigotry of hindu zealots cannot be seen without
>> > keeping
>> > in my mind how colonialism hardened the religious identities co-existing
>> > in
>> > this part of the world. yes i completely blame colonialism and our
>> > inability
>> > to reform ourselves (not in the european light) to be the cause for the
>> > partition. also because large corporate houses such as birlas were
>> > funding
>> > this whole project of partition which in a letter to M.K. Gandhi clearly
>> > cited that that "if would be beneficial if the division happens,".
>> > because
>> > as soon you call one organised religion, territorial, others also also
>> > fall
>> > in that same category. there are glaring examples. i need not specify
>> > more.
>> >
>> > I think Inder has done the needful by invoking Hussain and also by
>> > citing
>> > Chandramohan, who was bullied by a bunch of maniacs because of his art.
>> > this
>> > clearly demonstrates that one hand, nation building is a critical
>> > activity,
>> > lets not get into mess of this blame game as orchestrated by the saffron
>> > turn coats. it was bound to happen. and i am very glad that it has
>> > happened.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > anupam
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/25/09, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Rakesh
>> >>
>> >> you are partly right, although examples are slippery.
>> >> I guess, Hussain as ' Dhak Dhak girl like Madhuri Dixt' ( as Geeta
>> >> Kapur  explained while talking on Hussain's exile ) had penetrated the
>> >> phyche of Shiv Sena/BajragDal/BJP combine to the extent that even
>> >> Hindu Gods themselves coming nude on earth would be stoned to death by
>> >> these goons and lunatic fringe  of our society. Perhpas, the student
>> >> artists Chandramohan was seen as extention of Hussain, as antoher limb
>> >> of  other Vishnu, to be amputated, and so will be all the artists if
>> >> they dare to draw a Hindu deity in in future.
>> >>
>> >> Well, here ,  jaswant's Jinnah is  completely moulded with a different
>> >> aim and objective. Jaswant, perhpas, used Jinnah to demystify
>> >> Patel/Nehru and Gandhi to some extent. I have not read the book and
>> >> neither i have any wilingness to read the book written by a stupid
>> >> politician wirter. There must be other reasons for his ouster. We all
>> >> know, that Advani praised Jinnah as well, and with what logic he
>> >> ousted Jaswant? It looks like a paty of dacoits who can kill their
>> >> friend after 30 years of friendship , just for writing a book. If he
>> >> was so intelligent, he should have realized the cannibal in Advani
>> >> long before.
>> >>
>> >> We have  many reasons to celebrate Hussain, although i dont rate him
>> >> as great artist, but with Jinnah we have none to celebrate. As Shyam
>> >> Bengal too said, that we have no other way to understand Jinnah, as
>> >> someone who masterminded the idea of partition ....even if there were
>> >> valid reasons against arrogant Nehru/Patel combine
>> >>
>> >> Jinnah painted only one canvas in his life. The creation of Pakistan,
>> >> with one colour only.  India started with three colours at least, and
>> >> Hussain added colours to this unique Nehur's dream. Here Jaswant
>> >> rightly points out that Nehru did not let Jinnah paint the entire
>> >> canvas himself. I dont know which way Jinnah would have given free
>> >> hand to other smaller artists to fill their spaces with their own
>> >> colours, given the presences of hundreded of  powerful princes in
>> >> India, it would have been loot for the space of limited canvas, At
>> >> that time, Nehru was right then, but it is only now that we feel that
>> >> decentralization  of India is a better option.
>> >>
>> >> Mountbatten, as  British policy, i guess would have loved to see a
>> >> horrid mess of colours as free independant India. The blood red of the
>> >> partition is on their hands as well. as much as it is on the hand of
>> >> Jinnah, Nehur and patel.
>> >>
>> >> Hussain is a political project, which Jaswant should have taken rather
>> >> than Jinnnah. But he is illitrate to realize the important of Art and
>> >> culture in life. Some within BJP like Arun Shourie might be thinking
>> >> of importance of Muslim votes for party but i guess helping return of
>> >> Hussain is most crucial to India, than counting the bones of Jinnah in
>> >> his grave.
>> >>
>> >> with love
>> >> inder salim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Rakesh Iyer<rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Dear Inder
>> >> >
>> >> > In that case he would have faced a fate similar to that faced by the
>> >> > MSU
>> >> > student in Vadodara at the hands of the VHP in 2006.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Rakesh
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
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