[Reader-list] Fwd: In Valley, gunmen take to moral policing: ‘enforce hijab in college’

Murali V murali.chalam at gmail.com
Fri Aug 28 14:15:24 IST 2009 

You can atleast refer to any online references to such dress codes imposings.

Regards,
V Murali

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM, anupam chakravartty<c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> No murali, i would not like to specify any of that. i dont think i have the
> right to do so, as many of these decisions were taken collectively.
> Therefore, i have used quotes for the word imposition.
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you specify where and what code?
>>
>> Regards,
>> V Murali
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM, anupam chakravartty<c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Moreover, in garb of Hindu culture dress code is similaly "imposed" in
>> > several colleges and institutions. What do you have to say about that?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Rashneek,
>> >> Wearing a hijab should not ideally be your problem. Let the people speak
>> >> for themselves.
>> >> -anupam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Havent the barbarians already been there..like Bitta karate who pissed
>> on
>> >>> people after he killed them.and those too who some fondly called Sahab
>> who
>> >>> rape and chop nurses.
>> >>> and then their  apologists .....
>> >>>
>> >>> rashneek
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Sanjay Kak <kaksanjay at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Wonder why this list feels like a starter's block sometimes, for a
>> race
>> >>> > where everybody is planning to run a different length. You know, the
>> >>> 100m
>> >>> > sprint, the 400m, the 5000m, the marathon...
>> >>> > I mean look at us, here we are, already invoking fears of the
>> >>> "barbarians"
>> >>> > at the gate, of "mediveal obscrutanist religiou practices - soon
>> >>> flogging,
>> >>> > killing in football grounds and burning of girls schools"...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > While the particular Indian Express story, in a style we have all
>> come
>> >>> to
>> >>> > recognise, having raised the alarm, attracted the attention of those
>> >>> > amongst
>> >>> > us whose nerves are on edge anyway, and triggered the sprinters, does
>> a
>> >>> > consummate exercise in what I believe the Americans call 'covering
>> ass'.
>> >>> > I quote the last paragraph of the story:
>> >>> > The Dangiwacha police have filed a case, and are looking at all
>> angles,
>> >>> > including one unrelated to militancy. “We are exploring the possible
>> >>> > dimension of college rivalry,” said a senior officer who did not want
>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>> > named. No militant outfit has claimed responsibility for the
>> incident.
>> >>> The
>> >>> > separatists too have been silent, and are perhaps trying to ascertain
>> if
>> >>> > militant groups were involved.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Can we hold our horses, or have they bolted from the starters block?
>> >>> > Best
>> >>> > Sanjay Kak
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> > From: rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
>> >>> > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] In Valley, gunmen take to moral policing:
>> >>> > ‘enforce hijab in college’
>> >>> >  To: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >>> > Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Dear Anupam,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Well I am not confusing anything with anything.There is a history on
>> >>> this
>> >>> > network where people have called barbarians like Sikander Butshikan
>> and
>> >>> > Syed
>> >>> > mohd.Hamdani divinely ordained dervishes and incidentally these are
>> >>> people
>> >>> > who claim to have Marxist if not Moaist ideologies.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Rashneek
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >>> c.anupam at gmail.com
>> >>> > >wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Dear Rashneek,
>> >>> > > "They would cleanse the society by imposing purity on the
>> inhabitants
>> >>> and
>> >>> > > the sly shadows of Mao would cheer them and call them dervishes
>> oops
>> >>> > > divinely ordained dervishes."
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I think you are confusing Talibanisation with Marxism and Maoism.
>> If
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > so-called "armed" gunmen threatened the college principal, as the
>> >>> reports
>> >>> > > stated, to which he opposed and said:  "he would not be cowed by
>> the
>> >>> > threat
>> >>> > > and would continue to do his work at the college" and also the fact
>> he
>> >>> is
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > > specialist in greatest Islamic revivalist of our times, Sayyid Qutb
>> >>> (who
>> >>> > > the
>> >>> > > neo-liberal sorts think that because of his criticism of the
>> American
>> >>> way
>> >>> > > of
>> >>> > > life has helped in shaping of al-qaeda) then there is an inherent
>> >>> > > contradiction in your claims about dervishes. here we have someone
>> who
>> >>> is
>> >>> > > specialist, who is opposed to imposition of hijab. i think i would
>> >>> > > appreciate the principal's stand.
>> >>> > > - thanks
>> >>> > > anupam
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:26 AM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > Dear All,
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > A story done by Indian Express on the Islamist Icons(Robin Hoods
>> of
>> >>> our
>> >>> > > > friends) imposing Hijab and threating Prinicipals of Colleges by
>> >>> > burning
>> >>> > > > their cars.
>> >>> > > > How I wonder would Taliban control the land that once infidelds
>> >>> lived
>> >>> > > > in.They would cleanse the society by imposing purity on the
>> >>> inhabitants
>> >>> > > and
>> >>> > > > the sly shadows of Mao would cheer them and call them dervishes
>> oops
>> >>> > > > divinely ordained dervishes.Their divine powers derived from
>> >>> mediveal
>> >>> > > > obscrutanist religiou practices-soon flogging,killing in football
>> >>> > grounds
>> >>> > > > and burning of girls schools would be the order of day.And our
>> >>> Marxist
>> >>> > > > demi-icons would sing paeans to the piety of the new age
>> dervishes.
>> >>> > > > It may also be worthwhile to mention that the leaders of the
>> "azadi"
>> >>> > > today
>> >>> > > > have done exactly this when they "were a part of the armed
>> >>> > struggle".For
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > proponents of jihad and their supporters...from Riyaz Wani
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> > > >  In Valley, gunmen take to moral policing: ‘enforce hijab in
>> >>> college’
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  In the first such incident in the Valley since the decline of
>> >>> > militancy
>> >>> > > > started two years ago, masked gunmen waylaid the principal of a
>> >>> North
>> >>> > > > Kashmir college, destroyed his car, and gave him a three-day
>> >>> ultimatum
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > > ensure the 3,000 girl students in his institution began wearing
>> the
>> >>> > > hijab.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  The principal, Muhammad Ashraf, a respected Islamic scholar,
>> told
>> >>> The
>> >>> > > > Indian Express today that he would not be cowed by the threat and
>> >>> would
>> >>> > > > continue to do his work at the college.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  Ashraf said seven men stopped his car — in which he was riding
>> with
>> >>> > his
>> >>> > > > son
>> >>> > > > and a local acquaintance — near his village at Dangiwacha, and
>> >>> > > commandeered
>> >>> > > > the vehicle over a dirt track into a thicket of bushes. “They
>> wore
>> >>> > masks
>> >>> > > > and
>> >>> > > > dark glasses and were heavily armed with Kalashnikovs, pistols
>> and
>> >>> > > > grenades,” Ashraf said.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  According to the principal, the men appeared to know a lot about
>> >>> him:
>> >>> > > that
>> >>> > > > he was a specialist on Sayyid Qutb — the Egyptian Islamist
>> political
>> >>> > > > theorist and leading intellectual of the Muslim Brotherhood in
>> the
>> >>> 50s
>> >>> > > and
>> >>> > > > 60s who is thought to be one of the philosophical progenitors of
>> Al
>> >>> > Qaeda
>> >>> > > —
>> >>> > > > and that he had been trying to enforce discipline in his college.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > “You have taken some really good steps in the college like
>> banning
>> >>> > > smoking
>> >>> > > > and cellphones. Now, you must do something that we want you to
>> do.
>> >>> > > Enforce
>> >>> > > > an Islamic dress code for girl students,” Ashraf said the men
>> told
>> >>> him.
>> >>> > > > They
>> >>> > > > gave him three days to carry out their diktat, failing which they
>> >>> would
>> >>> > > > “act”, they said.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Ashraf’s college, Degree College, Sopore, has around 7,000
>> students
>> >>> on
>> >>> > > its
>> >>> > > > rolls, 3,000 of whom are girls. It is among the largest colleges
>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > > state.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > “They told me that they had picked me to send a message to all
>> other
>> >>> > > > schools
>> >>> > > > and colleges in the Valley in which girls study,” Ashraf said.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Perhaps to rattle the principal and send the message that they
>> meant
>> >>> > > > business, the gunmen set his vehicle on fire. Ashraf and his
>> >>> companions
>> >>> > > > were
>> >>> > > > released after about two hours in captivity.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > The Dangiwacha police have filed a case, and are looking at all
>> >>> angles,
>> >>> > > > including one unrelated to militancy. “We are exploring the
>> possible
>> >>> > > > dimension of college rivalry,” said a senior officer who did not
>> >>> want
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > be
>> >>> > > > named.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > No militant outfit has claimed responsibility for the incident.
>> The
>> >>> > > > separatists too have been silent, and are perhaps trying to
>> >>> ascertain
>> >>> > if
>> >>> > > > militant groups were involved.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Senior Superintendent of Police Viplav Kumar said a hunt was on
>> for
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > > gunmen. “We are trying our best. Hopefully, we will crack the
>> case
>> >>> > soon,”
>> >>> > > > he
>> >>> > > > said.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-valley-gunmen-take-to-moral-policing-enforce-hijab-in-college/507208/0
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > best
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > --
>> >>> > > > Rashneek Kher
>> >>> > > > http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
>> >>> > > > http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Rashneek Kher
>> >>> http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
>> >>> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
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