[Reader-list] RSS and Child Trafficking

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Dear all,

          when Rakesh jee  writes issues about RSS I can only say, he has
right to express, so be it, then pray, Oh, Lord, forgive him, he knows not
what he is saying.!

   It is time that instead of being only reading,  the younger generations
went nearer to the villages, understood the vagaries of life,the day to day
life of aam admi, not from the net or tv screen but in real life, only that
experience will get you to respond and react better .!

And dear rakesh jee, I am not knowledgeable, or learned as you presume me
of, I am still a student in learning process but it is really dismal when
some pass judgements about an issue with half knowledge or even with bookish
knowledge without the experience of the issue at hand. Only experience makes
knowledge more powerful as wisdom.

Any issue can be seen in different perspective, understood differently by
anyone of us, because the simple words in malady, majhab nahi sikhatha
kisise bair karna, is enough to enlighten a mind without fear.

Regards,
Rajen.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Rajen jee
>
> Let me answer your arguments in points:
>
> 1) First of all, I am tired of this secularism. I don't want any secularism
> at all. It's a western ideological concept, which has been adopted in India
> by twisting it on Nehruvian ideas, as I see it. Since the acceptance of
> India being a secular country in the Preamble of the Indian Constitution, we
> have had many more riots than before. The Indian state has by and large
> either abetted these acts or failed from discharging its responsibilities in
> these cases. And here I mean to say all the three organs of the state have
> failed to some or the other extent in this.
>
> The fact of the matter is that secularism is actually becoming a
> justification for the violence, especially that directed against the
> minorities. Look at the RSS. Isn't the RSS secular? Of course it is. It is
> secular because it doesn't want a diversified version of Hinduism to exist
> in this nation, at least not in the form it exists. You talk about tribals.
> There are tribals in this country who eat meat, and those who drink as well.
> Among these tribal communities, women also drink along with men. But the RSS
> would have none of it, because it's against 'culture'.
>
> Even if the diversities do exist, the RSS has decided to make these
> palatable, and thereby ensuring that all of us are just mere clones: modern
> outlook-based, secular in thought and expression, and nationalistic. This is
> exactly what is not required. This is also what Hinduism is not about.
>
> The RSS is an organization which supports the demand for a Uniform Civil
> Code. Isn't it so? Why? Because the RSS is indeed secular, going by the
> European definiton of the term. Yes, it doesn't want the state to involve
> itself in religious affairs. This is why it wants the Govt. to scrap Haj
> subsidies. Which is why the VHP led goons were justifying the 2002
> post-Godhra pogrom by stating that Muslims are always appeased, and of
> course any kind of appeasement is against secularism, right Rajen jee?
>
> So, the problem is of secularism itself. The day secularism is out of
> Indian politics, the RSS would be holding meetings to find out what next to
> attack, because one armour in their weaponry would be now a waste.
>
> This is why like you, I myself am hoping for a death of secularism. And I
> don't feel India is a secular country.
>
> 2) Christian or Hindu, tribals are being oppressed from all quarters. To
> add to this, we now have Naxalites who are also looking for a foothold among
> the tribals. And of course, the Indian state is not too far to join it.
> First, it was the Christian organizations who decided to proselytize with
> the aim of 'harvesting the souls of Christ'. Then came the RSS, which wanted
> to ensure their ideological domination, and therefore in the name of
> secularism, started to question 'conversions' and indulged in conversion
> programmes of their own.
>
> They organized the 'ghar wapasi' programmes. But when the tribals were
> never Hindus in the first place, isn't this conversion of Hindus? And
> ironically, our Indian state never bothered to query as to whether the
> tribals thought themselves to be Hindus or not. So also the RSS or their
> sister organizations.
>
> Our Naxalite brothers, then entered the fray in the name of fighting for
> the tribals. Of course, now it has converted into a goonda movement where
> the top commanders get rich and the people at the bottom get certain
> appeased rights, and those who oppressed earlier or considered the agents of
> the rich pay.
>
> And then, we have the Indian state which enters the fray through police
> (fake encounters), and Salwa Judum (and of course arrests like Binayak Sen
> for which no condemnation can be enough)
>
> 3) Since you talk about my half knowledge level Sir, I agree I don't have
> that great knowledge as you have. But you should also know that after the
> Kashmir earthquake a few years ago (which affected both sides of Kashmir,
> Indian and Pakistani), there were numerous reports of how the jihadi
> organizations on POK (as reported in the Indian side) were involved in
> relief and rehabilitation of those who died, providing them tents and
> shelters as well as food, clothing, medicines and other help if required.
> And the ISI was accused of helping them through men and material.
>
> So if ISI can do such things, or coordinate in such activities, and if
> Pakistanis therefore consider it right on their part to indulge in
> activities like organizing bomb blasts across the nation, would it be fair
> on their part to do so?
>
> Infact, if I may say so, the ISI is less dangerous than the RSS. The ISI is
> not a danger for Pakistan (the nation it works for)necessarily, as it's
> primarily an espionage agency which acts outside Pakistan. The RSS is a
> greater danger for our own country (the nation it supposedly works for)
> itself because a foreign based ideology having no benefits is being sought
> to be imposed on our own people, without a proper debate and discussion on
> it. People are being misled in the name of Hindutva, and the very existence
> of India as a free and fair democracy is being misused by asking people to
> be nationalistic.
>
> Also, my comparison is between ISI and RSS on an ideological scale and also
> on the kind of actions they are indulging in, with respect to 'educating
> children'.
>
> By the way, the Army also does great amount of social service work during
> times of distress, but that does not mean that the Army is given the right
> to go around doing anything, going against the norms of democracy and rights
> of people, in the name of AFSPA or other powers to protect the nation? This
> is why furore takes place when any person in uniform is heard or accused of
> raping a woman or taking part in a fake encounter.
>
> 4) The RSS has the Bajrang Dal and the VHP to do the dirty work, which is
> to take the fight against the minorities. Howsoever much you claim to be
> otherwise, people on this forum are wise enough to know the links between
> the VHP and the Bajrang Dal. And the acts of these organizations are too
> well known to be hidden. Probably the RSS gets embarassed when these links
> are exposed, but people know what it is.
>
> Waise Rajen jee, try telling that RSS is not linked to the two
> organizations to anybody who has some knowledge of politics in this nation,
> and all you will get is a ridicule. Even those from foreign countries who
> have knowledge of politics in this nation are not going to believe you.
>
> My argument goes beyond the RSS acting against the minorities; I personally
> believe it's an organization whose ideology is a threat to Hinduism, to
> India, and more importantly, to humanity itself. This is an ideology which
> threatens to completely override the diversity of the Hindu faith and
> religion and convert it into a mono-ideological, secular, modern-outlook
> based religion, which is to completely disrespect the faith of those who are
> talked of as being 'on the margins'. It is to ensure that Hindu religion
> becomes similar to Islam and Christianity, which are supposed to have one
> holy book, and one major place of worship.
>
> The RSS is a threat to India because it has misused the right of democracy
> and freedom of speech and expression, and the right to practise, preach and
> profess one's views and religion, to spread their ideology which attacks the
> minorities in direct/subtle manner and of course, to ensure that the
> ideology spreads that 'the minorities have to live on the goodwill of the
> majority'. This is against the basic right of democracy. Infact, the RSS
> should be happy India is a democracy. If it were a dictatorship, under some
> Nehru-kind of leader, the RSS would not have existed in this country.
>
> And of course, all this is a threat to humanity itself, along with the idea
> of imitating the 'enemy'.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>


-- 
Rajen.