[Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a cure...

subhrodip sengupta sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in
Sat Jul 11 00:59:16 IST 2009 

Dear ALL,
Taking Psychedellic drugs, it is cliamed can give different perceptions of reality, than which words can express. Homosexuality can be cured. Hostel life makes one Homosexual. IIM's and many others have co-educational hostles. Its about liberty of people, and if natural order is a result of selection., Forces of Lord or the primordal Song best left to himself is not hampered with. Naah all I'd point out is not to harass people and force them into a cure or sterilisation. How can one prosper or be happy in such a society? Why are we so obsessed in other's sense of carnality, why do we carnally read things, may be that's the curse of Western lives, not homosexuality. Legalising it only gives it a broader force, and increases the pace of acceptance. A sad thing we needed to legalise it, which itself shows how benevolent are attitudes and police force against homosexuals. We need reproduction, a penetration of every vagina. A hymen exists in every society,
 of Feeling barrier and values. Irritated of continuous Rapes, such iron actions need to be taken. The old joke is aids was for long in swines, man must have mated with a swine and thus unsafe intercourse was a check by LORD(do not blame me for this break, it is the joke) who wanted humans to behave in a certain way! Amen then, to all monks and nuns, and to most prophets then. Let us first, share the joke which Anupam might have taken too seriously or Kshmendra, in his strong reactions to the word 'Quack'. It is said that Ramdev had found a cure for AIDS! An accusation off course, for reasons well known. On another note scrapping makes us seem mordern, free of some horrible practices, which continue to be re-enacted. Male sexual abuse is kept close guarded by  helpless males thinking of the stigma and social unacceptance, double degree for homosexuals, and with people still  on everyone's head it is still annoying. Ayurveda has a secret of
 self-selection, a well known thing. Once acused of trying to develop one such drug, Baba strongly shirked " IT's all the better that they did not say I am reproducing on other's behalf", a human joke. After Homosexuality is legalised, let's see what he has to say., though I might ask for authenticity of this news, it is Baba's personal opinion, as long as he does not overshoot accusing all homos and Mundas of rape.... It's us who need to think twice about giving the vital space, else the practice continues. And social consciousness thus is so important, Forced Grom Gifts, Dowry was always unacceptable by many, later on sometime, it got repugnant,
It continues.................................................................................................................  



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From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Saturday, 11 July, 2009 12:10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a cure...

Dear Anupam

I never claimed to compete with Baba Ramdev on Yoga. Neither can you,
according to your immature statements. Well.. I know for a fact that you can
only abuse/malign a certain personality with such pathetic words, but with
no strong arguments or any basis to your imaginary claims. Give proof before
you resort to any more mud slinging.

Your brigade leader Brinda Karat tried once under influence from
multinational units, but all that ended up making her mockery all the more.
You seem to be heading in a similar direction. Only talks, backed by just
abuses and hatred. It isn't Baba Ramdev who runs after TV or media. It is
quite opposite. It is the same media units who beg to telecast his shows
overtime. He has done a brilliant work over last many years which I know
briefly about.

You can't compare Baba Ramdev or for that matter anyone else just like that.
Your comparson is baseless. Why don't you campaign against those media
people to cover your friends in Vadodara ? Or are you scared of the so
called SECULAR Media.

I can only laugh at your 'name calling'. This proves my point further. Grow
up!!! Go out of the AC Rooms and don't be a screaming animal on internet
alone. I don't need to prove my substace. My work speaks rather than my
words on this sarai network. You need to wake up to facts dear. Don't remain
in the four walls of ignorance.

I don't want you to agree with my viewpoint. We may agree to disagree. You
shouldn't force your opinion on others.

'Pranayama' early morning may help you too friend.

love

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Aditya,
>
> First of all, your understanding about yoga is deplorable. Second, this
> defence that you are trying to put up for Baba Ramdev and his followers
> shows how well you understand yoga and mass hypnosis spread with
> television..
> in case if u plan to state that so many number of people being cured by
> that
> quack, then there are a couple of witch doctors who are helping out
> government departments and NGOs in Vadodara who unlike Ramdev eating on air
> time of TV channels, are doing their best to educate people in tribal areas
> of chota udepur to get medicine treatment for HIV. Because the villagers
> would not listen to a modern day doctor so the medicines have to be
> administered with the help of witch doctors.your knowledge of indian
> society is limited only to drawing room discussions of middle class Hindu
> ignorant household where sexual repression manisfests itself like a
> disease. you are a typical case of the Indian version of american
> nincompoop. so i sympathise you my friend.
>
> and perversions do exist. that 50 women since jan to june 2009 from Hindu
> Gujarati Families were raped by brothers or fathers proves it even more
> (says a latest TOI report) .
>
> -with warmest regards
> anupam
>
>
>
>
> On 7/10/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Anupam
> >
> > With such remarks I'm sure even you would like to be one soon some day.
> > Well, if you really want to practice Yoga, I'm sure Baba Ramdev hasn't
> > pulled your neck towards Hardwar, you sure can do it yourself. Spreading
> > imaginary rumours about Baba Ramdev would be insane of you. It qualifies
> > you
> > as a joker with no 'sense or understanding'. You have proved your
> > disability
> > openly on sarai today.
> >
> > I don't know Baba Ramdev personally. He certainly has lakhs of followers
> > worldwide, your disagreeing with him won't do any harm. You may continue
> to
> > live in dreams and spread rumours and hatred. But, I know for sure how
> rich
> > Homosexual brats sexually abuse children in India. Its all game of money.
> > Maybe you should take some inspiration form them.. isn't it ?
> >
> > Love
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Aditya,
> > >
> > > Looks like you have not heard about the perversion of Yogis. I think
> you
> > > should Body as a Temple where how perverted yogis start with three
> wives,
> > > move on to animals, then finally with inanimate objects. this was
> > described
> > > by a telugu poet of 12th century about yogis and the perverse habits. i
> > am
> > > sure baba ramdev aspires to become one. kindly ask your whacko baba,
> > which
> > > nostril is better to snort cocaine. he will tell you all about it with
> > > pranayama. patanjali yoga is to be experienced with a guru who has
> > reached
> > > derived siddhi and the one who is beyond all aspirations. your ideas of
> > > yoga
> > > being a desi marketable product which is being done by this ramdev and
> > > bandwagon reflects what understanding you have about larger indian
> > society.
> > >
> > > -regards
> > > anupam
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/10/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > One needs to understand that it isn't just another Baba, Maulvi or a
> > > > father.
> > > > It is the larger Indian Society. One shouldn't shut their eyes to
> this
> > > > fact.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moreover, the major debate is on legalization, most of the common
> > people
> > > > have consensus on decriminalization.
> > > >
> > > > @ Inder 'Converted' Salim
> > > >
> > > > Your immaturity again makes me laugh. May Baba Ramdev bless you.
> > > >
> > > > Do some 'Pranayama'. It may help you. It doesn't only help Hindus. It
> > > helps
> > > > Homosexuals too. Just everybody.
> > > >
> > > > Hope the DESI dosage helps your case.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM, vaid theite <dnyan21 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Afterall, question remains, how to 'convince' people like Baba who
> > say
> > > > that
> > > > > it is not natural. I mean could be posit an argument saying
> > > homosexuality
> > > > is
> > > > > natural?
> > > > >
> > > > > In which ways, we could re-articulate history of sexual relations
> in
> > > > > anthropology, I think.
> > > > >
> > > > > Counter-argument: will it be 're-articulation'?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dnyan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a
> > cure...
> > > > > > To: "subhrodip sengupta" <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > > > Cc: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 1:46 AM
> > > > > > Since people have raised the question
> > > > > > of homosexuality not being natural, I
> > > > > > would also like to know what is this 'natural'. In their
> > > > > > evolution, human
> > > > > > beings must have killed animals, and now continue to do so
> > > > > > (though mostly in
> > > > > > the name of poaching). Is that natural, or not?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Women would have not been subjected to marriage in very
> > > > > > early history of
> > > > > > existence of human beings, but now they do marry. Is that
> > > > > > natural?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There must have been a time when it must have been decided
> > > > > > that women have
> > > > > > to stay in 'purdah' by someone. At that moment of time,
> > > > > > would that have been
> > > > > > natural?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest problem is that one can't be sure whether
> > > > > > something is natural
> > > > > > or not. What is only natural, is change. Change has to take
> > > > > > place with time,
> > > > > > and changes do occur. And as for homosexuality being
> > > > > > natural or not, if the
> > > > > > scriptures of the 'Hindu religion' have content on it and
> > > > > > these scriptures
> > > > > > are quite old, then obviously by your definition, they
> > > > > > can't be considered
> > > > > > 'natural'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The correct statement should be that homosexuals are in a
> > > > > > minority in India,
> > > > > > and it's not the mainstream practiced custom in India. That
> > > > > > is certainly
> > > > > > true as of now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rakesh
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