[Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a cure...

Aditya Raj Kaul kauladityaraj at gmail.com
Sat Jul 11 17:09:33 IST 2009


Certainly it is dada. I turned to such pathetic language, b'coz that is what
you understand best. It is working as the sarai list members can see.

Your tone towards Baba Ramdev in last many mails, without credible eveidence
speaks of your maturity.

Nothing more to add. You said it..

love



On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Aditya,
>
> you last email shows your maturity in understanding any issue. its been
> exposed. its upto the reader to decide.
> i have nothing to add. and yeah calling me a cry baby is helping too much
> :)
>
> -anupam
>
> On 7/11/09, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <aryakrish at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > See Devdutt Pattanaik's and other's response.
> >
> > "Baba's understanding of the body is very different," says Dr
> > Pattanaik. "He is a very good yoga instructor. But if yoga could cure
> > everything, why has it not cured his squint? Does he not consider it
> > to be a problem?"
> >
> >
> >
> http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/10/yoga-helped-many-accept-their-sexual-orientation.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul<kauladityaraj at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Anupam
> > >
> > >  ...awwww CRY BABY Anupam Chakravartty. Looks like you have had enough
> of
> > > tension.
> > >
> > > How just was calling me a publicity agent of Baba Ramdev ? You seem to
> be
> > > suffering deep inside mentally. I can just symapthise with your poor
> > mental
> > > health. Childish abuses will lead you nowhere kid.
> > >
> > > My intensions are crystal clear boss. Your certain ideology always
> > screams
> > > against the great Baba Ramdev. That makes me say that for your
> > information.
> > > You may cry and scream out on reader;s list by spreading hatred and
> > rumours.
> > > That will just be sent to trash bin of all members.
> > >
> > > I'm not running from anything. Infact you are by putting these silly
> and
> > > lame remarks. I want Section 377 IPC to stay without criminalization.
> It
> > is
> > > as simple as that. Does something enter your mind now. This is easy
> > english.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your suggestions. Most of the time I'm on ground. on the
> > streets
> > > of Delhi and other cities, as part of my job and as my hobby too. Its
> > time
> > > you become a bit more practical in life, understanding an opposite
> view.
> > It
> > > won't make you feel low in anyway, you will emerge stronger as I said
> > > earlier.
> > >
> > > yes Haridwar is a beautiful place, it has lakhs of more visitors after
> > > prominence of Baba Ramdev who is doing service to the Indian Society.
> You
> > > want to be ignorant about it, that is your wish.
> > >
> > > I don't consider this a debate anyway. Forget a debate with you whose
> > > arguments are based on rumours and lame jokes. I wrote all these mails
> to
> > > make you understand your reality. How much you are suffering 'coz of
> your
> > > narrow minded approach!!
> > >
> > > You should have been arrested for such 'insane' and 'illetrate'
> remarks.
> > You
> > > have lost it badly.
> > >
> > > You can continue with your tirade against a particular religion,
> against
> > a
> > > particular saint. That is what you can achieve in life. Nothing more.
> I'm
> > > honestly feeling sorry for you.
> > >
> > > BABA RAMDEV will remain there and touch the sky with success in
> spreading
> > > the message of Yoga. People like you can't do him any harm. You will
> just
> > > abuse him inside your living rooms and inside your desktops. Outside
> you
> > are
> > > a scared rat.
> > >
> > > You will never go out of Sarai List and your e-mail box. Be satisfied
> in
> > > your ignorant and arrogant world. Hope this ends this mad chain and
> your
> > > rumours against the saint.
> > >
> > > God Bless you. Hope you don't work for amazon.com now.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> c.anupam at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Aditya,
> > >>
> > >> Looks like you cant take the pain anymore. calling a member of the
> > brinda
> > >> brigade. you know opposition to a quack, a whacko, and Baba Ramdev can
> > >> exist
> > >> without being aligned to any particular ideology. what makes you say
> > that
> > >> section 377 stays in the end of the mail? this shows your intentions
> my
> > >> friend. running from it is not helping you much. anyway i dont wish to
> > >> continue a debate with a irrational person such as you. you can derive
> > >> whatever conclusions u want to derive because you havent been able to
> > >> answer
> > >> any of the questions which were posed in the list, but you kept on
> > harping
> > >> about this babaji of yours. hardwar is a beautiful place, i guess
> people
> > >> like ramdev and their shivirs are an eyesore and against the sanctity
> of
> > >> that place. and yeah suggestion about me visiting hardwar, i will take
> > it
> > >> seriously...but why dont u move out the drawing room discussions of
> > delhi?
> > >> see for yourself and come back write. that's more educative for you.
> > take
> > >> care and next time be strong in what you argue. dont use people like
> > ramdev
> > >> to further your cause. my business is to expose quacks like ramdev and
> i
> > >> will keep doing so even if u dont like it. ramdev has made yoga into a
> > >> commodity, which is where i have a problem. he should have been
> > arrested,
> > >> but with such cultural vanguards as such the saffron bandwagon, soon
> > >> heritage of india would be up for sale in amazon.com
> > >>
> > >> -with best wishes
> > >>
> > >> anupam
> > >>
> > >> On 7/11/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Dear Anupam
> > >> >
> > >> >   You need a good sleep. b'coz you have no argument left to counter
> > >> truth.
> > >> > Enough of your propaganda on behalf of 'Jhollah brigade'.
> > >> >
> > >> > You speak on my behalf. How far can I tolerate that ? Do you get me
> ?
> > >> >
> > >> > I've nothing to do with Baba Ramdev. I had just posted a news
> article
> > >> which
> > >> > you wanted to give publicity, hence this chain reaction. I've
> serious
> > >> > doubts
> > >> > over you now. Who knows how you are related to the Brinda Karat's of
> > the
> > >> > world ? Did she pay you a good sum through a national television or
> > was
> > >> it
> > >> > mutual indoor decision ? You are good at such deals. isn't it ?
> > >> >
> > >> > I said, I respect homosexuals. I respect Anupam Chakravartty. Don't
> be
> > an
> > >> > apologist Sir.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't expect anything from Moderators. They will only react if
> > >> something
> > >> > is said against their opinion as has happened in the past.
> > >> >
> > >> > Seems you had a competetive business to Baba Ramdev, and you failed
> > >> > yourself. Hence such hatred comes for the great Yoga Guru. In that
> > case,
> > >> I
> > >> > can surely understand your frustration. Well.. business is such my
> > >> friend.
> > >> > I
> > >> > told you to go for 'Pranayama'. That might just motivate you and get
> > you
> > >> > some new ideas of your own.
> > >> >
> > >> > I never said HOMOSEXUALITY is a disease. You said it ANUPAM
> > CHAKRAVARTTY.
> > >> >
> > >> > Don't be a coward, agreeing to whatever the media and those so
> called
> > >> > intellectuals say. Have your on opinion boss. Don't get carried
> away.
> > >> >
> > >> > This hatred against a popular Youga Guru Baba Ramdev won't solve
> > >> anything.
> > >> > It will only worsen your own image in public. It will make a mockery
> > of
> > >> > whatever argument you have.
> > >> >
> > >> > NOW STOP SPREADING RUMOURS AGAINST HIM. IT SEEMS YOU HAVE LOST IT.
> > >> >
> > >> > I PITY YOU.
> > >> >
> > >> > P.S. - A month at Haridwar or even Gadmukhteshwar will be of help.
> > >> >
> > >> > I've nothing more to add to your stupid allegations. You instead
> > suffer
> > >> > from
> > >> > a complex.
> > >> >
> > >> > God please help my friend.
> > >> >
> > >> > Section 377 IPC...here to stay still :)
> > >> >
> > >> > regardsAditya Raj Kaul
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> > c.anupam at gmail.com
> > >> > >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Dear Aditya,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have nothing much to add to your ignorance. Thanks for
> advertising
> > >> Baba
> > >> > > Ramdev on Sarai. Perhaps no one tried it befoe in this group. But
> > you
> > >> > have
> > >> > > managed it. Why dont you also start supplying his press notes
> here?
> > How
> > >> > > much
> > >> > > does he pay to talk such rubbish or rather how much do you get to
> > >> spread
> > >> > > Ramdev's message?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And what a hypocrite you are: on one hand you advertise this quack
> > of a
> > >> > guy
> > >> > > who had filed an application in the supreme court against
> > >> > decriminalisation
> > >> > > of homosexuality, while on the other hand, you are now denying
> that
> > you
> > >> > > never said anything about homosexuality being disease but using
> Baba
> > >> > Ramdev
> > >> > > as your proof you have been spreading distasteful arguments on
> this
> > >> > > reader's
> > >> > > list. its been noticed mr kaul. if speaking against unwarranted
> > attacks
> > >> > on
> > >> > > people on the group is incorrect, then there is a moderator here
> and
> > i
> > >> > > request his/her intervention on this issue.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -anupam
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 7/11/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Dear Anupam
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > You have again resorted to spreading rumours, getting to
> > conclusions
> > >> > > about
> > >> > > > a
> > >> > > > public/religious figure and again without any substantial proof
> or
> > >> > > argument
> > >> > > > to back your claims. If you have personal differences with him,
> > that
> > >> is
> > >> > > an
> > >> > > > altogether different case. We don't care about it. Be mature in
> > >> > > > understanding his following and the service he has been giving
> to
> > >> > > millions
> > >> > > > worldwide. Not alone through his medicines of Patanjali, events
> in
> > >> > > > different
> > >> > > > global cities and TV programmes but through his motivation of
> > doing
> > >> > Yoga.
> > >> > > > It
> > >> > > > has brought a drastic change in both rural areas and cities, if
> at
> > >> all
> > >> > > you
> > >> > > > have capability of studying the positive change you should know.
> > Even
> > >> > if
> > >> > > he
> > >> > > > charges some money for his medicines, why does it bother you so
> > much
> > >> ?
> > >> > It
> > >> > > > is
> > >> > > > a very right step.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yes even if Baba Ramdev is doing what people want him to do, it
> is
> > >> > > service
> > >> > > > to the society. He is a charismatic Guru and millions of people
> > trust
> > >> > > him.
> > >> > > > You don't need to worry so much about him. You can take care of
> > your
> > >> > > > health.
> > >> > > > Comparing him only makes your point weak.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > You have a dirty habit of speaking on my behalf without even
> > >> confirming
> > >> > > my
> > >> > > > opinion on the issue. I never said Homosexuality is a disease.
> > This
> > >> is
> > >> > > > something growing in your mind as I can read and understand.
> > Pathetic
> > >> > of
> > >> > > > you. Grow up Anupam... will you ?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I reiterate that there is a consensus that decriminalization is
> a
> > >> very
> > >> > > > important and positive step taken by the Delhi High Court but
> > there
> > >> are
> > >> > > > serious issues with legalization. Homosexuality need not be
> legal.
> > >> Not
> > >> > > just
> > >> > > > all religions are united against it, majority society is. You
> > can't
> > >> > bring
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > a law out of nowhere and force it on the people just because a
> few
> > >> > > hundred
> > >> > > > people dance, sing and shout on roads on a particular holiday
> > every
> > >> > year.
> > >> > > I
> > >> > > > respect Homosexuals, they need to be treated with care and
> > >> compassion.
> > >> > > They
> > >> > > > are just like any other Human being.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I think Anupam, you are still stuck in your four walls of
> > ignorance.
> > >> > > Either
> > >> > > > you yourself face some trauma, with which I sympathise or else
> you
> > >> are
> > >> > > just
> > >> > > > ignorant from childhood. Anyhow...I wish good for you.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Ramdev and many others have challenged the Delhi HC Verdict in
> the
> > >> > > Supreme
> > >> > > > Court, nobody has stopped Anupam Chakravartty from doing the
> same.
> > >> > Don't
> > >> > > be
> > >> > > > sitting on a chair and typing with no rest, go and file another
> > >> > petition
> > >> > > if
> > >> > > > you really feel about the issue.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Difference of opinion will remain. But your posts here talk
> about
> > >> your
> > >> > > > arrogance more than the original issue.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Section 377 IPC is here to stay...just some more time. :)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > love
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
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