[Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a cure...

anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
Sat Jul 11 19:05:06 IST 2009 

There is major fallacy that you commit all the time by saying you Win. who
is arguing here to win Aditya? please tell me. show me one person. is it you
by any chance? i have not abused you per se, but your ideas about promoting
a quack, merely because this quack called baba ramdev enjoys popularity
while his medicines have not been approved by any of medical council in
india. so if my brother falls sick tomorrow because of the medicine by this
quack after blindly believing like you, i dont even know what laws exist to
protect his life and get a compensation. i dont even know if a general
physician would treat him after that. i am not arguing to win. your proof so
far about baba ramdev is based on the fact that thousands have been cured,
which is absolutely irrational in the sense tomorrow i can say thousands are
saying Micheal Jackson's death is a media hype, he is actually alive, so am
i supposed to believe it? you see for yourself and then put forward your
case.

ten thousand people may be right about what they are saying. using an ad
baculum argument to forcibly extract admissions from people is not what i
believe in. this may the preferred mode used by other members here.

I dont see Baba Ramdev as a competent person with a legitimate argument to
quash the order of Delhi High Court on Section 377 in the supreme court and
my reasons have been stated here.

thanks anupam


On 7/11/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anupam
>
> You, to my surprise are contradicting yourself in the abusive mails
> directed
> at me. For last many mails you start with 'Nothing more to add' and then go
> on with your childish tirade.
>
> My mails to others on the list were for different issues and you need not
> compare them with mails directed at you. When you direct dirt at me, you
> will only get dirt in reply. You may enjoy dirt alone now.. as you can't
> take, understand or observe other arguments.
>
> You can't absorb an opposition argument. You just can't. Go through your
> mails. You initiated a tirade against Baba Ramdev without any evidence,
> which you continue to even now. I can't agree to it just like that. Spread
> the tirade in your bed room, not here Mr. Chakravartty. Nothing doing.
> Rumours will remain rumours.
>
> I have had discussions in the past here in the list and other forums. But
> you chose to jump to conclusions without any base. Stay happy. Imaginary
> world that you are living in.
>
> Your mails sound as threatning now. Don't worry YOU WIN...
>
> I finally end this chain which might be toruring many in the list.
>
> Baba Ramdev stays as a Yoga Guru with millions of followers. Section 377
> IPC
> stays... so do I and Mr. Chakravartty.
>
> God Bless.
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Aditya,
> >
> > Nothing more to add to your understanding that's what i meant. i mean
> even
> > if i do, your mind is in such a state that it cannot accept these
> > arguments.
> > are u also a fan of asaram bapu and ashok jadeja? you have addressed many
> > other respected readers in similar ways not just me. so in case you are
> > thinking that by engaging in ad hominem attacks on other readers you can
> > control debates, it is completely wrong. this is what i mean when i say
> > that
> > u need to understand. personally, i have nothing against u or baba
> ramdev.
> > i
> > will be honest about what got me into this argument. for some reason, you
> > used:
> >
> > "@ Inder 'Converted' Salim. Your immaturity again makes me laugh. May
> Baba
> > Ramdev bless you.Do some 'Pranayama'. It may help you. It doesn't only
> help
> > Hindus. It helps. Homosexuals too. Just everybody. Hope the DESI dosage
> > helps your case."
> >
> > Frankly, since im a subscriber to this list, it pains to see the way you
> > talk like this. that's the precise reason why i got into this debate.
> else
> > i
> > dont even want to comment on something as some quack, which he is, since
> > his
> > cures are yet to be approved by the scientists. i always knew that since
> > you
> > can these things to inder today, you are quite capable of saying things
> to
> > others who is not following your line of arguing. i dont care which
> shivir
> > you attend of thursdays or which books do you read. its your life and you
> > are responsible. this i say, when on many i have had interesting
> > conversations with other list leaders, who were vehemently opposed to my
> > ideas and vice versa. however, there was a line of arguing.
> >
> > it is this understanding that i was referring, which unfortunately is not
> > happening here.
> >
> > -anupam
> >
> > On 7/11/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Certainly it is dada. I turned to such pathetic language, b'coz that is
> > > what
> > > you understand best. It is working as the sarai list members can see.
> > >
> > > Your tone towards Baba Ramdev in last many mails, without credible
> > > eveidence
> > > speaks of your maturity.
> > >
> > > Nothing more to add. You said it..
> > >
> > > love
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> c.anupam at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Aditya,
> > > >
> > > > you last email shows your maturity in understanding any issue. its
> been
> > > > exposed. its upto the reader to decide.
> > > > i have nothing to add. and yeah calling me a cry baby is helping too
> > much
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > -anupam
> > > >
> > > > On 7/11/09, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <aryakrish at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > See Devdutt Pattanaik's and other's response.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Baba's understanding of the body is very different," says Dr
> > > > > Pattanaik. "He is a very good yoga instructor. But if yoga could
> cure
> > > > > everything, why has it not cured his squint? Does he not consider
> it
> > > > > to be a problem?"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/10/yoga-helped-many-accept-their-sexual-orientation.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul<
> > > kauladityaraj at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Anupam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  ...awwww CRY BABY Anupam Chakravartty. Looks like you have had
> > > enough
> > > > of
> > > > > > tension.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How just was calling me a publicity agent of Baba Ramdev ? You
> seem
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > suffering deep inside mentally. I can just symapthise with your
> > poor
> > > > > mental
> > > > > > health. Childish abuses will lead you nowhere kid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My intensions are crystal clear boss. Your certain ideology
> always
> > > > > screams
> > > > > > against the great Baba Ramdev. That makes me say that for your
> > > > > information.
> > > > > > You may cry and scream out on reader;s list by spreading hatred
> and
> > > > > rumours.
> > > > > > That will just be sent to trash bin of all members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not running from anything. Infact you are by putting these
> > silly
> > > > and
> > > > > > lame remarks. I want Section 377 IPC to stay without
> > criminalization.
> > > > It
> > > > > is
> > > > > > as simple as that. Does something enter your mind now. This is
> easy
> > > > > english.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your suggestions. Most of the time I'm on ground. on
> the
> > > > > streets
> > > > > > of Delhi and other cities, as part of my job and as my hobby too.
> > Its
> > > > > time
> > > > > > you become a bit more practical in life, understanding an
> opposite
> > > > view.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > won't make you feel low in anyway, you will emerge stronger as I
> > said
> > > > > > earlier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes Haridwar is a beautiful place, it has lakhs of more visitors
> > > after
> > > > > > prominence of Baba Ramdev who is doing service to the Indian
> > Society.
> > > > You
> > > > > > want to be ignorant about it, that is your wish.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't consider this a debate anyway. Forget a debate with you
> > whose
> > > > > > arguments are based on rumours and lame jokes. I wrote all these
> > > mails
> > > > to
> > > > > > make you understand your reality. How much you are suffering 'coz
> > of
> > > > your
> > > > > > narrow minded approach!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should have been arrested for such 'insane' and 'illetrate'
> > > > remarks.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > have lost it badly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can continue with your tirade against a particular religion,
> > > > against
> > > > > a
> > > > > > particular saint. That is what you can achieve in life. Nothing
> > more.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > honestly feeling sorry for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BABA RAMDEV will remain there and touch the sky with success in
> > > > spreading
> > > > > > the message of Yoga. People like you can't do him any harm. You
> > will
> > > > just
> > > > > > abuse him inside your living rooms and inside your desktops.
> > Outside
> > > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > a scared rat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will never go out of Sarai List and your e-mail box. Be
> > satisfied
> > > > in
> > > > > > your ignorant and arrogant world. Hope this ends this mad chain
> and
> > > > your
> > > > > > rumours against the saint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God Bless you. Hope you don't work for amazon.com now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM, anupam chakravartty <
> > > > c.anupam at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Dear Aditya,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Looks like you cant take the pain anymore. calling a member of
> the
> > > > > brinda
> > > > > >> brigade. you know opposition to a quack, a whacko, and Baba
> Ramdev
> > > can
> > > > > >> exist
> > > > > >> without being aligned to any particular ideology. what makes you
> > say
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> section 377 stays in the end of the mail? this shows your
> > intentions
> > > > my
> > > > > >> friend. running from it is not helping you much. anyway i dont
> > wish
> > > to
> > > > > >> continue a debate with a irrational person such as you. you can
> > > derive
> > > > > >> whatever conclusions u want to derive because you havent been
> able
> > > to
> > > > > >> answer
> > > > > >> any of the questions which were posed in the list, but you kept
> on
> > > > > harping
> > > > > >> about this babaji of yours. hardwar is a beautiful place, i
> guess
> > > > people
> > > > > >> like ramdev and their shivirs are an eyesore and against the
> > > sanctity
> > > > of
> > > > > >> that place. and yeah suggestion about me visiting hardwar, i
> will
> > > take
> > > > > it
> > > > > >> seriously...but why dont u move out the drawing room discussions
> > of
> > > > > delhi?
> > > > > >> see for yourself and come back write. that's more educative for
> > you.
> > > > > take
> > > > > >> care and next time be strong in what you argue. dont use people
> > like
> > > > > ramdev
> > > > > >> to further your cause. my business is to expose quacks like
> ramdev
> > > and
> > > > i
> > > > > >> will keep doing so even if u dont like it. ramdev has made yoga
> > into
> > > a
> > > > > >> commodity, which is where i have a problem. he should have been
> > > > > arrested,
> > > > > >> but with such cultural vanguards as such the saffron bandwagon,
> > soon
> > > > > >> heritage of india would be up for sale in amazon.com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -with best wishes
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> anupam
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 7/11/09, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Dear Anupam
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >   You need a good sleep. b'coz you have no argument left to
> > > counter
> > > > > >> truth.
> > > > > >> > Enough of your propaganda on behalf of 'Jhollah brigade'.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > You speak on my behalf. How far can I tolerate that ? Do you
> get
> > > me
> > > > ?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've nothing to do with Baba Ramdev. I had just posted a news
> > > > article
> > > > > >> which
> > > > > >> > you wanted to give publicity, hence this chain reaction. I've
> > > > serious
> > > > > >> > doubts
> > > > > >> > over you now. Who knows how you are related to the Brinda
> > Karat's
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> > world ? Did she pay you a good sum through a national
> television
> > > or
> > > > > was
> > > > > >> it
> > > > > >> > mutual indoor decision ? You are good at such deals. isn't it
> ?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I said, I respect homosexuals. I respect Anupam Chakravartty.
> > > Don't
> > > > be
> > > > > an
> > > > > >> > apologist Sir.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I don't expect anything from Moderators. They will only react
> if
> > > > > >> something
> > > > > >> > is said against their opinion as has happened in the past.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Seems you had a competetive business to Baba Ramdev, and you
> > > failed
> > > > > >> > yourself. Hence such hatred comes for the great Yoga Guru. In
> > that
> > > > > case,
> > > > > >> I
> > > > > >> > can surely understand your frustration. Well.. business is
> such
> > my
> > > > > >> friend.
> > > > > >> > I
> > > > > >> > told you to go for 'Pranayama'. That might just motivate you
> and
> > > get
> > > > > you
> > > > > >> > some new ideas of your own.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I never said HOMOSEXUALITY is a disease. You said it ANUPAM
> > > > > CHAKRAVARTTY.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Don't be a coward, agreeing to whatever the media and those so
> > > > called
> > > > > >> > intellectuals say. Have your on opinion boss. Don't get
> carried
> > > > away.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > This hatred against a popular Youga Guru Baba Ramdev won't
> solve
> > > > > >> anything.
> > > > > >> > It will only worsen your own image in public. It will make a
> > > mockery
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> > whatever argument you have.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > NOW STOP SPREADING RUMOURS AGAINST HIM. IT SEEMS YOU HAVE LOST
> > IT.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I PITY YOU.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > P.S. - A month at Haridwar or even Gadmukhteshwar will be of
> > help.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've nothing more to add to your stupid allegations. You
> instead
> > > > > suffer
> > > > > >> > from
> > > > > >> > a complex.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > God please help my friend.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Section 377 IPC...here to stay still :)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > regardsAditya Raj Kaul
> >
>
> --
> Aditya Raj Kaul
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