[Reader-list] Fwd: On Kashmir and Self Determination

[anupam chakravartty]

Dear Murali,

I appreciate that you use "may be". Even the wolf in sheep's clothing
argument doesnt apply in this case because both of these forces at the very
basic ground level are working in similar ways. While one extorts money to
further the cause (also known as influence), the other extorts information
so that the state can politically re-condition people into believing that
they are very much a part of india (even if it not reflected in terms of
policies for development which in turn becomes security funds) For the
extremist, fanatic or whatever adjective that one wants to associate with
it, it is mostly the lure of money. In case, if u want to say that they are
doing for such and such cause, its hogwash. As a champions of black
americans, Malcolm X had said the fight for the land. Security forces, a
tired lot of working professionals trained (if we have to sum all the
functions and put it together in the context of recent incidents) to kill.
(on many occasions, to finish the quota of the bullets, armed personnel in
kashmir and north east shoot at birds). I wont be surprised if a stupendous
amount of defence spending goes around supplying free-for-all-screw-them-all
bullets.

A yet another parallel perspective is that these are a bunch of brave men
caught in the cross fire of political rivalries. possibly true. so what
could stop these political rivals from using the security agencies for their
own political vendetta? i wonder.

so yes, there is an infiltration of extrmist idealogies, political biases,
criminal intent into the armed forces (why? because they are armed and power
comes from the gun). it has been happening for ages now. protectors (not all
of them may be) are also the destroyers. and in this game of hide and seek,
the common, the driver, the passenger, the guide, the locals, sheep and may
be a goat, keep struggling, fighting and even dying.

-anupam
On 7/24/09, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, may be true of inhuman infiltrators of the extremist kind.
> V Murali
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Meera Rizvi <meera.rizvi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rajendra,
> >
> > What am I not an exception to? And what does my surname have to do with
> it?
> > Would really like to know.
> >
> > Also, the army like any other organization is populated by the humane as
> > well as inhumane. It would be utterly naive to suppose otherwise. And
> when
> > a
> > jawan, trained to destroy an enemy is put into a situation where its not
> > clear who is a friend and who an enemy, he's bound to be a little jumpy.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Meera
> >
> >
> > On 7/24/09, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Anupam,
> > >
> > > and all on readers list,
> > >
> > > basically armed forces, I mean defence forces are used for WAR in
> defence
> > > of the nation, as they willingly lay down life for their nation
> > protecting
> > > the citizens of the nation, whether such sacrifice is acknowledged,
> > > accepted
> > > with humility or otherwise.
> > >
> > > Billion crores have been spent on Kashmir state by governance for the
> > > sustainance of the state, few in  ungrateful in Kashmir state are still
> > > craving for the affiliation to Pakistan because of the fanatic
> religious
> > > overtones and undertones and see the helping hand of India as
> oppressing
> > > power, not all, but few of them. India being democratic, this dissent
> is
> > > tolerated if not exceeds to violent means. Basically, in such a
> situation
> > > army has no role to play except at borders to see that cross border
> > terror
> > > does not creep in, but this faction gains support from such elements
> and
> > > foists violence for the "azaadi". Faith in any way does not preach
> > > violence,
> > > but religious followers of faith for the power, use faith for violence
> in
> > > all faiths.
> > >
> > > Meera is no exception as her surname suggests, as the army has not to
> be
> > > employed for the peace keeping but only for fighting the insurgency at
> > > borders, but when army personnel, who are also humans, see the inhuman
> > acts
> > > of the fanatics, who have no uniforms, but hide AK47s inside religious
> > > robes, they have also developed the sense of caution with this type of
> > > civilians in terror form as insurgents. and their supporters.Meera
> living
> > > in
> > > Delhi has gone to visit the heaven on earth, now made hell on earth,
> > thanks
> > > to violence by the insurgents, faithful religious faith followers and
> in
> > > retaliation, the armed forces. The basic fault lies in the power
> seekers
> > > who
> > > sleep with enemy for the sake of power, be it PDP or Congress or NC,
> > least
> > > bothered about real governance in the state.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rajen.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM, anupam chakravartty <
> > c.anupam at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am just shocked to read how far the several readers on this list
> can
> > > > speculate without checking the ground realities just to further one
> > > cause.
> > > > It is disgusting and demeaning if one underlines such possibilities
> > which
> > > > could be only thought by a movie director. Even if there is a slim
> > > > possibility of militants dressed up armed forces doing such
> activities,
> > > why
> > > > is it that rapes in Nalbari and Churanchandpur in Assam and Manipur
> by
> > > > Indian Army despite police records have been hushed? how is it there
> > are
> > > > such a large number of missing persons both in north east and
> kashmir?
> > > what
> > > > does the reader have to say about mass graves found in kashmir,
> manipur
> > > and
> > > > in bastar, in the heart of this country? they were done by men in
> > uniform
> > > > or
> > > > uniformed men?
> > > >
> > > > i dont know if it applies to your reason or not dear reader, since
> > there
> > > > were such instances where armed forces took such steps of mass
> > execution
> > > or
> > > > gang rapes, that's how the extremists or terrorists got theses idea
> of
> > > > using
> > > > the same tactics on the people. could that not be a possibility? how
> > many
> > > > possibilities do you want to underline here dear reader sitting
> > > comfortably
> > > > inside your airconditioned rooms watching 24*7 news channels? down
> with
> > > > such
> > > > arm-chair speculation and shoddy analysis of a situation that's not
> > only
> > > > affecting local people in these problem areas but also making it
> > > impossible
> > > > to find out which particular coterie of armed forces are behind such
> > > > activities making it into behemoth instead of protector.
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