[Reader-list] HIV and male circumcision

[Tapas Ray]

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Pawan Durani wrote:
> Appu ,
> 
> Tapas would try to link everything wrong with Hindus , RSS ....... The
> problem with him is that his ideology of Communism is dead everywhere
> in the world and WB is having the last nail in the Communist Empire.
> 
> People like Tapas want to demonise the Hindu society to keep its
> minorty appeasement and sickularism alive , even if it is relevant in
> some discussion or not.
> 
> Even in prevention of AIDS , he wants to discusss Hindu extremism....
> 
> Sick of his thinnking .......
> 
> Pawan
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Appu Esthose Suresh<appu.es at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "and physical evidence of it is used to identify Muslims trying to pass
>> themselves off as Hindus in order to escape death in riots"....
>>
>> Again this was also put into use in equal no of occasions to identify
>> Hindus, who were trying to escape from the rioters ... It worked both way
>> around and still works...
>>
>> Also, it is not just the Hindu popular imaginary; I guess others also
>> relates it the same way...
>>
>> "It seems scientists are researching male circumcision as a means of
>>   preventing HIV. I do not know if it already is part of the AIDS
>>   prevention regime anywhere. But if it does become one some day, will
>>   Hindu fundamentalists resist it on the ground that it is an Islamic
>>   practice? What will it do to the Hindu popular imaginary of itself and
>>   its Muslim other? "
>>
>> Try to remember that Vatican and Muslim clergy (at least in many countries)
>> still denounce use of condoms...What I am trying to mention here is that it
>> isn't necessary that the a scientific reasoning been accepted on its merit,
>> and that is not certainly typical of Hindus alone...
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Appu Esthose Suresh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Tapas : You are a pervert . Can it not be a vice versa when you quote
>>> "A crude term referring to this practice isoften used as a substitute
>>> for the words 'Muslim' and 'Mussalman', and physical evidence of it is
>>> used to identify Muslims trying to pass themselves off as Hindus in
>>> order to escape death in riots"
>>>
>>> You are obsesses with mixing everything to build hate against Hindu.
>>>
>>> Pawan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Tapas Ray<tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, my previous post did not have the complete subject line. I have
>>>> corrected that, and a small error in the body of the text in this post.
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>> Male circumcision is a prominent marker of the Muslim other in India's
>>>> Hindu popular imaginary. A crude term referring to this practice is
>>>> often used as a substitute for the words 'Muslim' and 'Mussalman', and
>>>> physical evidence of it is used to identify Muslims trying to pass
>>>> themselves off as Hindus in order to escape death in riots. The term has
>>>> been used on this list by one esteemed member if I remember correctly.
>>>>
>>>> It seems scientists are researching male circumcision as a means of
>>>> preventing HIV. I do not know if it already is part of the AIDS
>>>> prevention regime anywhere. But if it does become one some day, will
>>>> Hindu fundamentalists resist it on the ground that it is an Islamic
>>>> practice? What will it do to the Hindu popular imaginary of itself and
>>>> its Muslim other? These are two of the questions that came to mind, and
>>>> I wanted to share with the list, as I read this report.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://men.webmd.com/news/20090721/male-circumcision-improves-sex-life-for-women?ecd=wnl_men_072809
>>>>
>>>> Male Circumcision Improves Sex for Women
>>>> Survey Results Are Part of Study That Showed Circumcision Reduces a
>>>> Man's HIV Risk
>>>> By Charlene Laino
>>>> WebMD Health News
>>>> Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
>>>>
>>>> July 21, 2009 (Cape Town, South Africa) -- Women whose male sexual
>>>> partners were circumcised report an improvement in their sex life, a
>>>> survey shows.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers studied 455 partners of men in Uganda who were recently
>>>> circumcised. Nearly 40% said sex was more satisfying afterward. About
>>>> 57% reported no change in sexual satisfaction, and only 3% said sex was
>>>> less satisfying after their partner was circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> Also, some women said their partner had less or no difficulty
>>>> maintaining or getting an erection.
>>>>
>>>> Among the 3% of women who reported reduced sexual satisfaction, the top
>>>> two reasons were lower levels of desire on the part of either partner.
>>>>
>>>> Top reasons cited by women for their better sex life: improved hygiene,
>>>> longer time for their partner to achieve orgasm, and their partner
>>>> wanting more frequent sex, says Godfrey Kigozi, MD, of the Rakai Health
>>>> Sciences Program in Kalisizo, Uganda.
>>>>
>>>> Kigozi tells WebMD he undertook the survey because some activists have
>>>> objected to male circumcision as a means of combating HIV because of a
>>>> lack of data on female sexual satisfactions.
>>>>
>>>> The findings were presented at the Fifth International AIDS Society
>>>> Conference on Pathogenesis, Treatment and Prevention of HIV.
>>>>
>>>> The women in the study all participated in the landmark Rakai
>>>> circumcision trial, one of three studies that showed that the procedure
>>>> reduces a heterosexual man's risk of acquiring HIV by more than 50%.
>>>>
>>>> "We included only women who said they were sexually satisfied before
>>>> [their partner was circumcised]," Kigozi says. "Then we asked them to
>>>> compare their sexual satisfaction before and afterward."
>>>>
>>>> Men feel much the same way, he adds. In a previous survey, 97% of men
>>>> said their level of sexual satisfaction was either unchanged or better
>>>> after they were circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> Naomi Block, MD, of the CDC's HIV Prevention Branch, who chaired the
>>>> session at which the study was presented, says that other surveys have
>>>> shown that women don't expect their sex lives to change if their
>>>> partners are circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> But those were "what if?" surveys, she tells WebMD, while the new study
>>>> involves women whose partners were actually circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> The findings are "good news" as they show that the use of circumcision
>>>> to fight HIV is acceptable to women, Block says.
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