[Reader-list] HIV and male circumcision

Thu Jul 30 01:36:17 IST 2009

Males can identify and male-male aggression takes up fast for mutual roles, but guess how males identify female victims in Riots?
Sometimes by bindis, at other times a policeman shows them the way to plunder...................
Somehow we make assosciations of Virality with Victory, as if we still live in the stone age era of progeny, the destrucytion of a Vagina as a male property,  hate based o genitals, is it simply because of intensit assosciated with biological desire, or it more importantly assosciated with how we learn to look at things how we assosciate anyone who learns English uses The 4 letter F word so often as if that proves u understand everything how Progeny can be created....................................................... Thats the end of every thing. On a personal note, I follow a rule Do not Fancy Boozing without drinking and Do not Use Sex without realising what or how pleasurable it is!
Else I feel loosing the crux of it, one turns out to be a pervert. We like to discuss others practices and concerns of hygeine but end up being merely voyeuristic and making jokes. We think women are Pure, but in reality they join in, commiting the most brutal blunder for their so caled sanctity. Whole villages beside delhi, entire muslim bastis existed, every man burnt alive, and every woman sold off.......................
Thats reality friends, and when we talk of circumspection instead of medical term violence comes into our mind, may be because it Hinders other senses or may be coz we get too deterministic that pain will wnd in Pain( it all started with a pain, remember?)
As if a fantasisied truth that the world would be better off without some people holds true, as we have a future no past.

Anyways the truth is my doc adviced me on safe sex knowing I am circumscribed, so anyone who publishes such crap must be like showing a human heart (too large for a human being let me asure u) Jerking with pumped blood with Quoran playing in background!  

How easily we pick up the friction assosciate violence and create enemity. Indeed Experience tells us it is easier to identify oneself by the ones he hates///////////////////

I do not advocate peace, I do not deny the existance and need of struggle for survival, at the same time inserting my semen into somebody else's wife can not be on the ground that he raped mine,  doesnt do any good to me ,and my wife being happy at it, only intensifies her problem and her state before my eyes. Struggle should be only undertaken if it serves purpose, serves good.

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From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
Cc: Sarai Reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July, 2009 5:08:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HIV and male circumcision

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Pawan Durani wrote:
> Appu ,
> 
> Tapas would try to link everything wrong with Hindus , RSS ....... The
> problem with him is that his ideology of Communism is dead everywhere
> in the world and WB is having the last nail in the Communist Empire.
> 
> People like Tapas want to demonise the Hindu society to keep its
> minorty appeasement and sickularism alive , even if it is relevant in
> some discussion or not.
> 
> Even in prevention of AIDS , he wants to discusss Hindu extremism....
> 
> Sick of his thinnking .......
> 
> Pawan
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Appu Esthose Suresh<appu.es at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "and physical evidence of it is used to identify Muslims trying to pass
>> themselves off as Hindus in order to escape death in riots"....
>>
>> Again this was also put into use in equal no of occasions to identify
>> Hindus, who were trying to escape from the rioters ... It worked both way
>> around and still works...
>>
>> Also, it is not just the Hindu popular imaginary; I guess others also
>> relates it the same way...
>>
>> "It seems scientists are researching male circumcision as a means of
>>  preventing HIV.. I do not know if it already is part of the AIDS
>>  prevention regime anywhere. But if it does become one some day, will
>>  Hindu fundamentalists resist it on the ground that it is an Islamic
>>  practice? What will it do to the Hindu popular imaginary of itself and
>>  its Muslim other? "
>>
>> Try to remember that Vatican and Muslim clergy (at least in many countries)
>> still denounce use of condoms...What I am trying to mention here is that it
>> isn't necessary that the a scientific reasoning been accepted on its merit,
>> and that is not certainly typical of Hindus alone...
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Appu Esthose Suresh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Tapas : You are a pervert . Can it not be a vice versa when you quote
>>> "A crude term referring to this practice isoften used as a substitute
>>> for the words 'Muslim' and 'Mussalman', and physical evidence of it is
>>> used to identify Muslims trying to pass themselves off as Hindus in
>>> order to escape death in riots"
>>>
>>> You are obsesses with mixing everything to build hate against Hindu.
>>>
>>> Pawan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Tapas Ray<tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, my previous post did not have the complete subject line. I have
>>>> corrected that, and a small error in the body of the text in this post.
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>> Male circumcision is a prominent marker of the Muslim other in India's
>>>> Hindu popular imaginary. A crude term referring to this practice is
>>>> often used as a substitute for the words 'Muslim' and 'Mussalman', and
>>>> physical evidence of it is used to identify Muslims trying to pass
>>>> themselves off as Hindus in order to escape death in riots. The term has
>>>> been used on this list by one esteemed member if I remember correctly.
>>>>
>>>> It seems scientists are researching male circumcision as a means of
>>>> preventing HIV. I do not know if it already is part of the AIDS
>>>> prevention regime anywhere. But if it does become one some day, will
>>>> Hindu fundamentalists resist it on the ground that it is an Islamic
>>>> practice? What will it do to the Hindu popular imaginary of itself and
>>>> its Muslim other? These are two of the questions that came to mind, and
>>>> I wanted to share with the list, as I read this report.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://men.webmd.com/news/20090721/male-circumcision-improves-sex-life-for-women?ecd=wnl_men_072809
>>>>
>>>> Male Circumcision Improves Sex for Women
>>>> Survey Results Are Part of Study That Showed Circumcision Reduces a
>>>> Man's HIV Risk
>>>> By Charlene Laino
>>>> WebMD Health News
>>>> Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
>>>>
>>>> July 21, 2009 (Cape Town, South Africa) -- Women whose male sexual
>>>> partners were circumcised report an improvement in their sex life, a
>>>> survey shows.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers studied 455 partners of men in Uganda who were recently
>>>> circumcised. Nearly 40% said sex was more satisfying afterward. About
>>>> 57% reported no change in sexual satisfaction, and only 3% said sex was
>>>> less satisfying after their partner was circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> Also, some women said their partner had less or no difficulty
>>>> maintaining or getting an erection.
>>>>
>>>> Among the 3% of women who reported reduced sexual satisfaction, the top
>>>> two reasons were lower levels of desire on the part of either partner.
>>>>
>>>> Top reasons cited by women for their better sex life: improved hygiene,
>>>> longer time for their partner to achieve orgasm, and their partner
>>>> wanting more frequent sex, says Godfrey Kigozi, MD, of the Rakai Health
>>>> Sciences Program in Kalisizo, Uganda.
>>>>
>>>> Kigozi tells WebMD he undertook the survey because some activists have
>>>> objected to male circumcision as a means of combating HIV because of a
>>>> lack of data on female sexual satisfactions.
>>>>
>>>> The findings were presented at the Fifth International AIDS Society
>>>> Conference on Pathogenesis, Treatment and Prevention of HIV.
>>>>
>>>> The women in the study all participated in the landmark Rakai
>>>> circumcision trial, one of three studies that showed that the procedure
>>>> reduces a heterosexual man's risk of acquiring HIV by more than 50%.
>>>>
>>>> "We included only women who said they were sexually satisfied before
>>>> [their partner was circumcised]," Kigozi says. "Then we asked them to
>>>> compare their sexual satisfaction before and afterward."
>>>>
>>>> Men feel much the same way, he adds. In a previous survey, 97% of men
>>>> said their level of sexual satisfaction was either unchanged or better
>>>> after they were circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> Naomi Block, MD, of the CDC's HIV Prevention Branch, who chaired the
>>>> session at which the study was presented, says that other surveys have
>>>> shown that women don't expect their sex lives to change if their
>>>> partners are circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> But those were "what if?" surveys, she tells WebMD, while the new study
>>>> involves women whose partners were actually circumcised.
>>>>
>>>> The findings are "good news" as they show that the use of circumcision
>>>> to fight HIV is acceptable to women, Block says.
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