[Reader-list] Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

Jeebesh jeebesh at sarai.net
Thu Jul 30 18:20:46 IST 2009 

dear Rajen,

Nobody stopped your post. Please read the technical ground on which  
the post was blocked. It is in the automated message sent to you by  
mailman.

It will help to understand the technology that you are using to  
communicate with others.

warmly
jeebesh
On 30-Jul-09, at 5:49 PM, Taha Mehmood wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> To: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON at mail.sarai.net>
> Cc: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
>
>
> Dear Taha, forum likes your stories, my post is rejected, let me see
> if you have the courage to make sach ka samna.?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajen.
>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
>> To: Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:11:48 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: HIV and male circumcision
>> Dear Taha,
>>    this forum is not for telling "stories" but the moot point is  
>> why can the muslim not be part of nation and wish to flaunt their  
>> muslim ids which was not the case earlier, when they promised to  
>> live in secular India as brothers to all others in the nation.?Like  
>> any other individuals in the nation, they have their rights, but  
>> when they flaunt their minority status, being majority in any  
>> dwelling area, they clash to impose their values on society, thus  
>> become causes of friction, others in the society being "secular"  
>> have tolerated enough of this imposing the "muslim" values on all  
>> others, religious fanatics in all faiths got provoked thanks mainly  
>> to this attitude of some,few,  fanatic muslims who did not hesitate  
>> to defend, sheltor and provide logistical support to terror may be  
>> because of the faith of the religion, jannath promised, or lots  
>> wades of currency.?
>>
>> When any one attacks any one else for the faith being very  
>> "religious" all other individuals have the right of self defence  
>> and that is what is seen now in the nation as the Man Mohini Singh  
>> ( this character is honest female, bold as female voice booms in  
>> parliament yesterday, but weak as male, may be a transgender.!) is  
>> talking about first bite for muslims as nation does not agree with  
>> this appeasement doctrine, as all citizens in democracy have the  
>> same rights, none are special.!
>>
>> No doubt we have to recognise the rights of gays, lesbians and  
>> transgenders as they are also humans, and should be made CMs and  
>> MLAs and MPs of the legislation, as the leader man Mohini Singh has  
>> had no hesitation to show his/her transgender part in the  
>> parliament as he spoke and stood naked in front of the national  
>> parliament.!
>>
>> Regards, Rajen.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Taha Mehmood <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] HIV and male circumcision
>>> To: 2tahamehmood at googlemail.com, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com 
>>> >
>>> Cc: "reader-list at sarai.net" <reader-list at sarai.net>, tapasrayx at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Taha,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your story about ‘Ramesh’ & ‘Arif’ makes a poignant reading. It is a
>>> tragedy that communal riots continue to haunt us. Let us hope & pray
>>> that there aren’t any anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  But it is also a fact that for every ‘Arif’ there have been  
>>> ‘Rameshs’
>>> too. And victims did not always undergo any circumcision test. You
>>> mentioned Gujarat. Well if the aftermath was so horrible so was the
>>> instigation –the burning of so many ‘Rameshs’ in the train at  
>>> Godhra &
>>> mind it there was no penispection before the train was singed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And what do you have to say about the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri
>>> Hindu Pandits in Kashmir? Remember there were no riots there- there
>>> was no instigation. Yet so many ‘Rameshs’ were selectively  
>>> targeted &
>>> murdered in cold blood not with the daggers but with sophisticated
>>> arms like AK47s & pistols. The fear psychosis after hundreds were
>>> butchered lead to the surviving ‘Rameshs’ flee their homes &  
>>> hearths.
>>> No, no voter lists were used for any identification purpose nor were
>>> any penispections carried out. The whole process of ethnic cleansing
>>> was so meticulously planned & executed.
>>>
>>> Identification tools do not necessarily matter.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> LA
>>>
>>> Ps: will someone change the subject line, it is so misleading -if  
>>> the
>>> original article was about just the 'sex' the following comments
>>> aren't about HIV either.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:34:21 +0100
>>>> From: 2tahamehmood at googlemail.com
>>>> To: pawan.durani at gmail.com
>>>> CC: reader-list at sarai.net; tapasrayx at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HIV and male circumcision
>>>>
>>>> Dear Tapas, Dear Pawan and Dear All
>>>>
>>>> I think we just have to wait for a year before hopefully we will  
>>>> all
>>>> have our UID numbers then perhaps rioters too will become more
>>>> sophisticated. If these days RSS and VHP and BJP and SS goons go
>>>> around an area carrying voter lists, as evidenced by systematic
>>>> butchering of Mussalmaaans in Gujarat then later perhaps, they  
>>>> could
>>>> be more precise by zoning in on fingerprints, area codes and what  
>>>> not.
>>>> They might just ask for your thumb print and tally it on a machine
>>>> before driving that sword down your throat. After all multi- 
>>>> purposes
>>>> will have other benefits too.
>>>>
>>>> But to complicate the this argument let me tell you guys a real  
>>>> story.
>>>>
>>>> A cousin of mine from Ahmedabad once told his story of being a  
>>>> victim
>>>> of riots. This happened during the Advani rath yatra time. He was
>>>> traveling from Delhi to Ahmedabad that day.
>>>>
>>>> Just when he left the rail way station he realized that riots are
>>>> happening in the city. There were no taxis or auto-rickshaws, so he
>>>> started walking in the hope that he might come across some people  
>>>> be
>>>> it Hindus or Muslims and they might give me a lift to his place.  
>>>> He,
>>>> by the way, didn't look 'Muslim' at all. He was clean shaven with
>>>> urban looks and all. He could pass off as anyone. He was smart and
>>>> suave and confident.
>>>>
>>>> By and by he crossed an area where came across a group of men who  
>>>> were
>>>> hiding behind the entrance of a gully.
>>>>
>>>> They accosted him but he couldn't make out who they were either.  
>>>> For
>>>> they were too, like him, clean shaven and without any visible  
>>>> mark of
>>>> identification. So they asked him what his name was, so he said  
>>>> that
>>>> his name was Ramesh, thinking that they were Hindus.
>>>>
>>>> Hearing this one of them drew a sword, 'Hindu hai sala'! They were
>>>> Muslims. He thanked God and told them he was a brother like them  
>>>> too.
>>>> They asked him to open his pants and show them his circumcision  
>>>> mark.
>>>> Now here's the interesting bit because my cousin had never cared  
>>>> to go
>>>> for a circumcision.
>>>>
>>>> He opened his pants, people saw his uncircumcised penis and  
>>>> thrust a
>>>> sword in his belly with a nara-e-takbir accompanying the action. He
>>>> let out a scream Ya Allah! That somehow made them realize that he  
>>>> was
>>>> a Muslim. People do not wear any mask when they are in danger of  
>>>> their
>>>> lives, it seems.
>>>>
>>>> They asked his name again and he told them that it was Arif. They  
>>>> took
>>>> him to a hospital where the doctor initially refuse to treat him  
>>>> after
>>>> getting to know that his name was Arif, it was only after examining
>>>> his uncircumcised penis that the doctor was convinced that he was
>>>> indeed Ramesh and treated him.
>>>>
>>>> What happened to Arif was unfortunate but it was also terribly  
>>>> funny
>>>> too, in a way. The madness and social nervousness around identity  
>>>> was
>>>> all apparent. I think with the coming up of ID cards there must be
>>>> systematic and equitable distribution of personal information  
>>>> amongst
>>>> both Muslim and Hindu rioters. For it would be depressing to come
>>>> across an Arif like case again. On the other hand I think as long  
>>>> as
>>>> we in India are going to make a big fuss about who we are then  
>>>> there's
>>>> definitely going to be someone who will be laughing all the way  
>>>> to a
>>>> bank somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards
>>>>
>>>> Taha
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