[Reader-list] Hindu article
anupam chakravartty
c.anupam at gmail.com
Mon Jun 8 15:42:05 IST 2009
dear bipin and others,
why are we discussing teesta here? the issue is about treatment meted out
to the muslims. looks like you are hellbent on trivialising the issue. what
do you have to say about noorani mohalla, signal faliya? have u been there?
or this is just some kind of shadow boxing that you love to engage in.
-anupam
On 6/8/09, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> That's true! Teesta has raised her voice only for Gujarat carnage and got
> international reputation what she wanted. that's all. This is the only
> criteria to judge a persons about the things they does praiseworthy!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Venugopalan K M
> To: sarai-list
> Cc: bipin
> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu article
>
>
> Dear Bipin,
>
> >Why I doubt Teesta working, since she never show her will to fight for the
> rights of Hindu, Sikh in Sikh riots ,Kashmir Pundits in Kashmir, Bhagalpur
> victim, even she has not turned up in Nandigram, Singur. So how can one
> trust her neutrality? This is solid proof that she is working with guidance
> of their source of funds...
>
> Sounds strange!
> We were talking about Teesta's specific role in taking up many cases of
> organized violence perpetrated against a section of citizens by another
> section, which were also actively abeted by the Gujarat state administration
> by means of its several commissions and serious omissions.This has
> absolutely nothing to do with Teesta's not voicing her concerns about
> victims of violence elsewhere.Teesta is not a God incarnated to punish all
> those devils in Kashmir and Punjab,and Delhi!Perhaps we give less attention
> to what she did not do than what she really did to bring to book the
> culprits of Gujarat carnage and violence.
> Certainly, many of us here are more concerned with the culpable deeds of
> Modi administration ,like virtually declaring a lawless goonda raj against
> the Muslim population of Gujarat during those dreadful days of 2002.
> If at all the Zahira case and other cases related to the state violence
> exist as a serious criminal case ,it is thanks to lot of commendable work
> done by human rights activists like Teesta. I would not object even
> accepting overseas funds by her as long as the funding is legally valid.
> Regarding the court comments, I am not that woried. Didn't the SC opine in
> Afsal case like "that the collective conscience of the Nation demands
> awarding capital punishment to Afsal even in the context of lack of evidence
> that would have otherwise been necessary in proving the charges?
> Regards,
> Venu
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> Dear Venugopalan,
>
> What happened in 2002 is very painful and full sympathy with those who
> died. Even in my earlier post, I have mentioned about this sad incidence.
>
> Refer the court findings and they scrolled Teesta in few occasions in
> Zahira case. I also of the opinion that those who are culprit must be
> punished and even Modi's involvement proved than also. Why I doubt Teesta
> working, since she never show her will to fight for the rights of Hindu,
> Sikh in Sikh riots, Kashmir Pundits in Kashmir, Bhagalpur victim, even she
> has not turned up in Nandigram, Singur. So how can one trust her neutrality?
> This is solid proof that she is working with guidance of their source of
> funds.
>
> What the Hindu article tells is general for Gujarat's Muslims treated as
> II class citizen is wrong. They are taking basis of about a lac (yet this is
> also doubtful figure) yet to return to their home (but why? no body has
> stopped them to return), the whole Gujarat Muslim community treated as II
> class citizen. Don't you think this is ridiculous? For a few part of
> community, you can not put generalize prediction for the community. The
> incidence happened before 7 years and few thousand don't return to their
> home and those whose homes has burned/destroyed, govt. has offered for
> rehabilitation way back but stopped by the wasted interest forces who wants
> to keep alive this issue forever!
>
> People of Gujarat (including Muslim community) has way back forgot this
> and started their routine work in very co-operative and friendly
> environment. Even leading Muslim figure/leader of Gujarat like Professor
> Bandukwala and many others has confirmed this way back and continue today
> telling in many open discussion forum.
>
> Mr. Venugopalan, I invite to come to Gujarat, I personally welcome you
> and take you to even Godhra where this incidence happened and see yourself
> whether you find any fear? Even I invite you with any of your Muslim friend
> to roam any part of Gujarat and verify yourself that anywhere Muslim is not
> at all treated as II class citizens. All the community stays in very harmony
> without any fear and grudges.
>
> Now what is going on is malicious propaganda against Gujarat and
> Gujarati community, nothing else. Whether you believe or not but this is
> hard truth.
>
> thanks
> Bipin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Venugopalan K M
> To: sarai-list
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu article
>
>
> Dear Bipin,
>
> I'm afraid you are abusing he commonsense of everybody here.
> Why don't you dispute what is already given there on the basis of
> merit and substance?
> What do you mean by Chamchas of Teesta?
> And is what is so bad about Tessta and their "cottary"?
>
> About the Muslim citizens of Gujarat, again you arrogate
> to yourself the privilege of paassing a judgement! Of whom at least two
> thousand people were killed and over a lakh are reportedly yet to return to
> their homes since the organized crimes of post-Godhra 2002, if they are not
> being treated as second class citizens, are they being treated as
> non-citizens?
> Will you please check the truth for yourself rather than advising
> others to meet your Muslim friends in other states or to meet the 'aam
> Muslims' in Gujaratin your imagination?
>
> Or rather, do you mean that they are graciously being allowed by Modi
> to stay free of further fears of being targeted for killing and raping by
> Hindus? That case, you are wrong sir; instead, it is apparently because the
> killing hordes themselves had realized that Modi is not God to ensure them
> impunity and because they come to realize that Modi himself is under the
> shadow of trial under the IPC and the Cr PC for his culpability in what
> transpired after Godhra.
>
> >"they agree that their relatives are far happy and feel safety in
> Gujarat"
>
> How cool!
> How strange of a people constituting about 1/5 th of the entire
> population confiding the secret to you being allowed to feel safe in their
> own lands and homes!
>
> Best,
> Venu.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Who ever written this article HIndu is base less and far from truth.
> It is totally false that Muslims are treated as second class citizen in
> Gujarat. You ask any aam Muslim in Gujarat (don't ask chamcha's of Teesta
> and their cottary) and you will have truth.
>
> Even I have many net Muslim friends from other states and on
> discussion, they agreed that their relatives in Gujarat are far happy and
> feel safety in Gujarat
>
> thanks
> BIPIN
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