[Reader-list] Election Forecast

S. Jabbar sonia.jabbar at gmail.com
Sat Jun 13 20:33:20 IST 2009 

Pakistan is still governed by constitutional law where jaziya does not find
a place despite the clamour by some sections to impose the Sharia.  The
Œtax¹ imposed by the Taliban is nothing other than Œhafta¹ in the guise of
jaziya.



From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:30:20 -0700 (PDT)
To: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
Cc: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast

There are some practices that pre-date Islam (in terms of Quran-Mohammad)
but found themselves 'sanctified' through the Quran and/or the reported
words/practices of Mohammad. "Jaziya" is one such Practice/Law.
 
There are many explanations and interpretations given for "Jaziya" with
respect to 'Non-Muslim individuals' and 'entities conquered through war or
threatened with war'.
 
In current times, "Jaziya paid by Non-Muslims" could perhaps best be
explained as being equivalent to "Zakaat paid by Muslims"
 
Kshmendra  


--- On Fri, 6/12/09, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>, "Rakesh Iyer"
> <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:21 PM
> 
> The people in the NWFP who imposed a tax on non-Muslims in the name of Islam
> are brigands.  They are also known collectively as the Taliban, a feared
> entity who have wreaked greater havoc on the lives of Muslims in the area.
> 
> Jaziya is commonly and mistakenly seen as an inherent Islamic practice, a
> fundamental tenet of Islam, where in fact the Arabs simply continued the
> practice of levying a poll tax on subject races in their newly conquered
> territories.  
> 
> The practice of poll tax was instituted by the Sassanid Empire, which ruled
> a vast swathe of land which included the Caucasus, Iraq, southern Central
> Asia, Iran and Afghanistan from 205 CE for 400 years, much before the birth
> of Islam.  
> 
> The Sassanids, incidentally, were Zoroastrian, ancestors of the people we
> know as Parsis.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com> >
>> > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:25:13 +0530 (IST)
>> > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rakesh.rnbdj@gmail.com> >
>> > Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
>> > 
>> > after reading secular mails on this readers list i am thoroughly convinced
>> > that very soon india will be a muslim country because muslims are going to
>> > outnumber hindus by 2050 and hindus will have to pay jizia (the way sikhs
>> in
>> > pakistan are paying)
>  
> ( unfortunately or fortunately )muslims don't
>> > descriminate between seculars and others
> for them hindus are hindus and not
>> > brahmins/dalits/marathas/seculars/communals etc.
> so all of us - you as well
>> > as me will have to pay jizia.
>  
> be mentally ( and financially also)
>> > prepared.
>  
> vedavati
> 
> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Rakesh Iyer
>> > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rakesh.rnbdj@gmail.com> >
>> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Rakesh Iyer
>> > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rakesh.rnbdj@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To:
>> > "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=c.anupam@gmail.com> >
> Cc: "sarai list"
>> > <reader-list at sarai.net
>> <http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net> >
> Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 5:20 PM
> 
> 
> Dear
>> > Vedavati
> 
> Before pointing fingers at others, look at oneself. Considering the
>> > demand
> of Hindus like you, if BJP were to come to power (either as coalition
>> > or on
> their own), the sword would be hanging on the head of the minorities as
>> > to
> when their women would be raped, their children would be left
>> > parent-less
> and when their lives would be destroyed. It's certainly good that
>> > UPA has
> come to power, and now we have one less issue to focus upon (which
>> > is
> minority rights), at least upto a certain extent.
> 
> When the NDA was in
>> > power, we had to focus on jokers like Praveen Togadia,
> Ashok Singhal, Acharya
>> > Dharmendra, some more useless sadhus and mahants, and
> also Modi mania.
>> > Unnecessarily at some point of time or other, there would
> be some nonsense
>> > shilanyas and some daan or the other. At least under the
> UPA, such useless
>> > antics are out. While Kandhamal, Karnataka and Mangalore
> indeed have taken
>> > place, at least a widespread pogrom has not taken place.
> 
> And as for
>> > Bangladesh and Pakistan, thanks to Hindus like you, I can say
> comfortably that
>> > if people like you were to come to power (in any party or
> form), we would
>> > become a Hindu rashtra where our minorities would be living
> worse than second
>> > class citizens. And you are not a secular anyway, and you
> are a Hindu.
> 
> India
>> > is secular not because Hindus are in majority. India is secular
> because
>> > majority of the people live as a secular society does (irrespective
> of whether
>> > they believe in secularism). They don't want conflicts for
> umpteen no. of
>> > reasons. And they can see through the political game of our
> Hindutva and
>> > fundamentalist Islamic friends.
> 
> As for Muslim nations which are secular, go
>> > to Turkey, Indonesia and
> Malaysia.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Rakesh
> 
> PS: I wonder where our
>> > Modi bhai is, now that results are out for the
> general election. Everybody is
>> > talking about Advani not talking to media.
> Seems Modi is another version of
>> > Advani. When things are going against him,
> he is the first one (like Advani)
>> > to hide and run away. And he is supposedly
> the 'next PM' candidate of BJP in
>> > 2014.
> 
> Jaisa Guru, waisa chela........jai
>> > ho!!
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