[Reader-list] Election Forecast

[rashneek kher]

Dear Kshmendra,

While I may tend to agree with your history of Jaziya,your comment that"In
current times, "Jaziya paid by Non-Muslims" could perhaps best be explained
as being equivalent to "Zakaat paid by Muslims"
makes me wonder
While Zakat is a voluntary exercise Jaziya is an imposed one.Zakat is paid
as per ones capacity while Jaziya is fixed and has to be paid as a tax by
non-muslims as protection money.Your comparision,I am afraid is incorrect.

Best Regards

Rashneek

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> There are some practices that pre-date Islam (in terms of Quran-Mohammad)
> but found themselves 'sanctified' through the Quran and/or the
> reported words/practices of Mohammad. "Jaziya" is one such Practice/Law.
>
> There are many explanations and interpretations given for "Jaziya" with
> respect to 'Non-Muslim individuals' and 'entities conquered through war or
> threatened with war'.
>
> In current times, "Jaziya paid by Non-Muslims" could perhaps best be
> explained as being equivalent to "Zakaat paid by Muslims"
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>, "Rakesh Iyer" <
> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:21 PM
>
>
> The people in the NWFP who imposed a tax on non-Muslims in the name of
> Islam
> are brigands.  They are also known collectively as the Taliban, a feared
> entity who have wreaked greater havoc on the lives of Muslims in the area.
>
> Jaziya is commonly and mistakenly seen as an inherent Islamic practice, a
> fundamental tenet of Islam, where in fact the Arabs simply continued the
> practice of levying a poll tax on subject races in their newly conquered
> territories.
>
> The practice of poll tax was instituted by the Sassanid Empire, which ruled
> a vast swathe of land which included the Caucasus, Iraq, southern Central
> Asia, Iran and Afghanistan from 205 CE for 400 years, much before the birth
> of Islam.
>
> The Sassanids, incidentally, were Zoroastrian, ancestors of the people we
> know as Parsis.
>
>
>
>
> > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:25:13 +0530 (IST)
> > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> >
> > after reading secular mails on this readers list i am thoroughly
> convinced
> > that very soon india will be a muslim country because muslims are going
> to
> > outnumber hindus by 2050 and hindus will have to pay jizia (the way sikhs
> in
> > pakistan are paying)
>
> ( unfortunately or fortunately )muslims don't
> > descriminate between seculars and others
> for them hindus are hindus and not
> > brahmins/dalits/marathas/seculars/communals etc.
> so all of us - you as well
> > as me will have to pay jizia.
>
> be mentally ( and financially also)
> > prepared.
>
> vedavati
>
> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Rakesh Iyer
> > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rakesh Iyer
> > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast
> To:
> > "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sarai list"
> > <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 5:20 PM
>
>
> Dear
> > Vedavati
>
> Before pointing fingers at others, look at oneself. Considering the
> > demand
> of Hindus like you, if BJP were to come to power (either as coalition
> > or on
> their own), the sword would be hanging on the head of the minorities as
> > to
> when their women would be raped, their children would be left
> > parent-less
> and when their lives would be destroyed. It's certainly good that
> > UPA has
> come to power, and now we have one less issue to focus upon (which
> > is
> minority rights), at least upto a certain extent.
>
> When the NDA was in
> > power, we had to focus on jokers like Praveen Togadia,
> Ashok Singhal, Acharya
> > Dharmendra, some more useless sadhus and mahants, and
> also Modi mania.
> > Unnecessarily at some point of time or other, there would
> be some nonsense
> > shilanyas and some daan or the other. At least under the
> UPA, such useless
> > antics are out. While Kandhamal, Karnataka and Mangalore
> indeed have taken
> > place, at least a widespread pogrom has not taken place.
>
> And as for
> > Bangladesh and Pakistan, thanks to Hindus like you, I can say
> comfortably that
> > if people like you were to come to power (in any party or
> form), we would
> > become a Hindu rashtra where our minorities would be living
> worse than second
> > class citizens. And you are not a secular anyway, and you
> are a Hindu.
>
> India
> > is secular not because Hindus are in majority. India is secular
> because
> > majority of the people live as a secular society does (irrespective
> of whether
> > they believe in secularism). They don't want conflicts for
> umpteen no. of
> > reasons. And they can see through the political game of our
> Hindutva and
> > fundamentalist Islamic friends.
>
> As for Muslim nations which are secular, go
> > to Turkey, Indonesia and
> Malaysia.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
>
> PS: I wonder where our
> > Modi bhai is, now that results are out for the
> general election. Everybody is
> > talking about Advani not talking to media.
> Seems Modi is another version of
> > Advani. When things are going against him,
> he is the first one (like Advani)
> > to hide and run away. And he is supposedly
> the 'next PM' candidate of BJP in
> > 2014.
>
> Jaisa Guru, waisa chela........jai
> > ho!!
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