[Reader-list] Osip Mandelstam and Varun Gandhi: a clear contrast

[Inder Salim]

Dear Pawan
we all know Huriyat conference ( which includes JKLF ) never
participated in elections in  kashmir, so to link  Yasin  Malik or
anybody from Huriyat with Varun Gandhi is not making much sense.

I agree, any ,discussion on kashmir will bring the questions, which
you raised, into consideration, and those who suffered shall speak
from their experience. People on the list, have respected that
sentiment,...

However, i beleive, outwitting Kashmiri radicals on that account will
still not dilute the core Kashmir issue which has a historical
reference. Govt. of India  too endorses it officially.

  I dont know how much Varun Gandhi has played on that element of '
hate' inherited from 1947 Partition but, in kashmir only time will
tell us what the muslim uprising in kashmir  was all about. Right now
it is too opportunistic, and we know how people have been sold and
bought by agencies. you know in kashmir every body is suspect.  If
there will be any talks between centre ( even BJP/NDA) they will talk
to JKLF/Hurriyat but not to you or RIK/Panun Kashmir etc, you must
know how politics works in reality.

True, that Kashmiri Pandits suffered in the 1990's bloody wind which
had ' hate' and 'murder' its part agenda. But, i still believe, if
outside agents  ( international ) had not played games in kashmir,
Hindus would have lived a dignified life in kashmir. alas

Here, we have no reason to exonerate the central govt. in Delhi on
this account, as i have pointed out earlier as well, that they knew
the game from beginning, but mysteriously allowed  it to grow,

how to blame just one party. Interestingly, it is the same Gandhi
Nehru  dynasty who  remain indifferent to Hindus as and when it suits
them and deliver hate speeches against muslims as and it suits them.

 just for power.

love and regards
is

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> How do we want an action against a real Gandhi ie Varun ....when we have
> organisations like JKLF which the Indian media and the progressive
> secularist liberals call as a 'secular ' organisation and Yasin Malik as a
> modern day Gandhi.
>
> His main slogan was "Yahan Kya Chalega ---Nizam E Mustafa' ....and then
> added in posters that Kashmir would be a Pakistan...without Hindu men but
> with hindu womenfolk.
>
> The problem is when people like Yasin find a group of stupid ignorant
> supporters [ Joholla Wallas ]  who make a hero out of a killer, everything
> else seems justified.
>
>
> Correct me if I am wrong.....
>
> Pawan
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> For the benefit of all those, who wish to know what exactly Varun Gandhi
>> has said, these are the excerpts, taken from Indian Express, which has
>> obtained them through a recording of election meetings, which are held in
>> two different locations.
>>
>> Link:
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/badey-daraawne-naam-hotey-hain-inke...-karimullah-mazharullah...-varun-gandhi-kaat-daalega.../435950/1
>>
>> Excerpts:
>>
>> 1) *Yeh panja nahi hai, yeh kamal ka haath hai. Yeh kat** ke galey ko kaat
>> dega chunaav ke baad. Jai Shri Ram! Ram ji ki jai! Varun Gandhi kaat
>> daalega! Kaat denge us haath ko, kaat denge, kaat daalega!
>>
>> 2) **Apne jao, apne gaon mein jao aur halla karo ki saara Hindu ek tarfa
>> ho jao, chhetra ko Pakistan hone se bachao, aur saara Hindu ek tarfa ho jao!
>>
>> 3) **Kya yeh sach nahin hai… ki usko bola gaya ki mataji aapka naam kya
>> hai... agar usne bola ki Bimla Devi, to usko kahaa ki dekhenge, sochenge...
>> pehle paanch hazaar rupaye do... aur agar uska naam hai Saira Bano ya jo bhi
>> Begum Hukum Begum... hum to jaante nahin hain... badey daraawne naam hotey
>> hain inke... Karimullah... Mazharullah.... agar raat ko kabhi dikh jaayen...
>> to darr rahen hain...
>>
>> 4) **Meri ek behan hai... to ek pamphlet chhapa tha jisme saare
>> pratiyashiyon ka picture likha hua hai... toh meri behan... us bitiya ne
>> kaha... Bhaiya mujhe nahi pata tha ki aapke chhetra mein Osama bin Laden
>> chunaav lad rahein hain... Maine kaha beta Osama bin Laden ko to America
>> pakad nahi liya lekin Varun Gandhi ke to pakad mein bahut aane waale hain
>> chunaav ke baad!
>>
>> 5) **Jo aadmi thappad aapko maare, aapko kya karna chahiye? Doosra gaal
>> aage kar dena chahiye… Usse bewakoofi ki baat maine suni nahi hai aaj tak.
>> Agar koi aadmi aapko thappad maare, to saale ka haath kat do ki kisi ko phir
>> thappad nahi maar paaye baad mein.
>>
>> 6) **.Agar kisi ne, kisi galat tatv ke aadmi ne, kisi Hindu pe haath
>> uthaya...to main Gita ki kasam khake kehta hun ki main us haath ko kaat
>> daalunga!
>>
>> *After reading all this, you can for yourself make out the kind of
>> language Varun Gandhi has used. The problem with all the right-wing people
>> of this nation is that, they want a masculine, effete kind of response to
>> these things, for the fact is that in their own personal lives, they are
>> never satisfied with the devotion they have towards God. The fact is that,
>> they always want their devotion to increase further and further, and no
>> levels are enough for them. That's what my own experiences have shown me,
>> though they are not many.
>>
>> And I sincerely feel, that right-wing people probably don't have any
>> confidence in their masculinity, which forces them to always express it
>> again and again in useless issues. Similarly, they also don't have enough
>> confidence in their devotion to God, for they constantly are in search of
>> more and more. They need psychologists to boost their confidence in their
>> masculinity and contentment in their devotion to God, rather than Ram
>> Mandirs and action against 'appeasers' of Muslims.
>>
>> After all, as one line of the song 'Pal Pal hai Bhari' from Swades says:
>>
>> 'Man se Ravana jo nikaale, Ram uske man mein hai'. So please let the Ravana
>> of our minds run away, instead of fighting over masjids-mandirs, and if
>> that's what we want to fight for, let us have one single fight to solve the
>> issue for once and all. Let us not have Ayodhya, Godhra, post-Ayodhya,
>> post-Godhra, Kandhamal, Mangalore one by one. Let us go on streets and solve
>> the issue for once and for all. At least be that rational.
>>
>> Let us not die every day (I mean the soul). Let the death be once, and for
>> all.
>>
>> After all, 'roz roz kutte ki mout marne se achcha hai ek din sher ki maut
>> marna', as one of the 'alleged' terrorists of Ahmedabad blasts said.
>>
>> The choice is ours: Useless fights to destroy ourselves (Pakistan is
>> already involved in these), or fight against all the evils leaving aside all
>> infighting amongst ourselves (not because we are Indians, but because we are
>> human beings first).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rakesh
>>
>>
>>
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