[Reader-list] Hindu families in Pakistan feel scared, India grants Visa

Thu Mar 19 01:48:51 IST 2009

i met a farmer near nagarparker which is the area of sindh which is 50%
 hindu. he told me he had gone to live in india after 1971, worked there
digging  for pipeline projets, but came back, life was better.
look at the work of thar deep the organization and amar mahboob's film
http://maujmedia.blogspot.com/2009/02/review-of-amar-mahboobs-film-colours-of.html

best

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:47 PM, shivam at kafila.org <shivam at kafila.org>wrote:

> Dear Kshmendra,
>
> You say, "If it is suggested so, I will not agree that such a policy
> should also apply to those who's ingress into India is in a
> surreptitious manner or those who overstay the period allowed in their
> Visa."
>
> Now Tibetans cross into India "surreptitiously" - that is without
> visas, escaping the watchful eyes of Chinese forces, bribing Nepali
> forces, and then they finally reach after a long journey in which
> people even lose lives. So according to your policy prescription you
> are against Tibetans being given refugee status, right?
>
> Secondly, the Pakistani Hindus come to India on short-term tourist
> visas which, as I mentioned, expire long before Indian red tape gives
> them Indian citizenship. So according to your policy prescription,
> Pakistani Hindus whose visas have expired should be deported? There
> must be at least fifty thousand such individuals in Indian
> territory... you must request Aditya Raj Kaul to carry out a campaign
> to deport them.
>
> best
> shivam
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Shivam
> >
> > I will agree with you that India should follow a uniform policy towards
> refugees from any part of the world who seek refuge and are granted refuge.
> >
> > If it is suggested so, I will not agree that such a policy should
> also apply to those who's ingress into India is in a surreptitious manner or
> those who overstay the period allowed in their Visa.
> >
> > You remarked on it in passing, but I would also agree that a uniform
> policy should be followed towards all Internally Displaced citizens of
> India.
> >
> > The sad part however is that people are driven by circumstances to
> disconnect themselves from their own environment and take refuge in an alien
> one.
> >
> > The magnitude of the desperation is the most significant in those who
> leave their own country and seek refuge in another country where they have
> none of the rights of a citizen. They know it and yet they make the choice.
> >
> > But the same character of desperation also bears upon those who find it
> impossible to continue living in the land of their forefathers, the land of
> their heritage and culture and the land where they have the psychological
> support of being amongst family and friends and render themselves Internally
> Displaced.
> >
> > The Internal Displacement to some degree forced upon people by forces of
> Nature resulting in floods, famines, tsunamis, earthquakes can be
> understood.
> >
> > It is the Internal Displacement of people due to factors brought about by
> Political, Social, Religious, Corporate machinations that I find most
> disturbing. The State has failed in it's duty towards the citizens in such
> instances.
> >
> > I recognise, in some ways the characteristics of such (not by forces
> of Nature) Internal Displacement in the thousands who migrate from villages
> to towns to cities. The State has failed them.
> >
> > It is therefore equally and perhaps more important in my eyes that the
> State provides such a protective environment for it's citizens that they are
> not 'driven' to seek refuge in another country, or to be rendered Internally
> Displaced in their own country.
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Shivam V <lists at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Shivam V <lists at shivamvij.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu families in Pakistan feel scared, India
> grants Visa
> > To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:01 AM
> >
> > Dear Kshmendra,
> >
> > Thanks for posting this and bringing our attention to it. However,
> > there is nothing unusual about it. Pakistani Hindu migration to India
> > continues on an almost daily basis. I once did a story on them. I went
> > to the Bhati mines area of Chattarpur in Delhi and met a family of 11
> > that had arrived just two days ago. There are at least a hundred
> > thousand Pakistani Hindus in Rajasthan, and with some leadership and
> > organisation some of them have been getting Indian citizenship. This
> > shows how the "long" Partition "continues" in the most
> > literal sense
> > of the word "continues". This is just like the Partition continues
> > over the unsettled dispute over the Kashmir Valley and the constant,
> > complaining allegations about "Bangaldeshis" who come to India, the
> > corresponding issues of "vote bank politics" and them 'snatching
> > away'
> > jobs from Bihari labourers.
> >
> > Firstly, the situtaion of the Pakistani Hindu refugees in India is
> > very bad. Indian red tape deals with them in the most insensitive
> > manner, makes sure that not only their visas but also passports
> > expire, and then expects them to have the money to get new passports
> > from the Pakistan High Commission, which is most uncooprative. So,
> > like most refugees, they just disappear in the mass of the
> > 'unorganised sector' of the Indian economy, away from the watchful
> > eyes of an Indian state that couldn't care less. Most Pakistani Hindu
> > refugees are from Sindh as another posting on this list shows.
> >
> > At the same time, being Hindus they still have it much easier than,
> > say the Afghan Muslims who continue to flee the same Taliban and
> > continue to pour into India and work in the same unorganised sector.
> > There is of course no question of Muslims from Peshawar fleeing to
> > India despite India having more Muslims than Pakistan. The reason why
> > this causes me some discomfort is because it makes it sound like India
> > is a Hindu country and not a secular country that treats all refugees
> > equally.
> >
> > This discrimination exists within internally displaced refugees in
> > India as Shuddhabrata Sengupta once showed on this list.
> >
> > If you're Tibetan you're god; if you're Bangladeshi Hindu
> > you're just
> > Hindu and thus Indian; if you're Afghan Sikh you will easily get
> > Indian citizenship; if you're Sri Lankan Tamil you will live in
> > abominable conditions in refugee camps and the Tamilians will play
> > politics in your name but never do anything for your plight.
> >
> > I think it is important that India passes a uniform national refugee
> > law and policy and shows compassion towards refugees from all parts of
> > the world equally.
> >
> > I hope you agree with me.
> >
> > best
> > shivam
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Versions of the news item reproduced below (from PunjabNewsline) have
> also
> > appeared in:
> > >
> > > - ZEENEWS "Pak Hindu families seekl India citizenship"
> > >      http://international.zeenews.com/inner1.asp?aid=203968&sid=HEL
> > >
> > > - DAWN "Fata’s 35 Hindus migrate to India"
> > >
> >
> http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/pakistan/fatas-35-hindus-migrate-to-india--bi
> > >
> > > Kshmendra
> > >
> > >
> > > "Hindu families in Pakistan feel scared, India grants Visa"
> > > JAGMOHAN SINGH
> > > Saturday, 07 March 2009
> > >
> > > AMRITSAR: Indian Government has granted one year visa to 35 Hindu
> migrants
> > from Pakistan who faced threat to their lives in Pakistan, particularly
> in
> > tribal areas. The group including 16 men, 16 females and three children
> had
> > crossed over to india few days back.
> > >
> > > The Pak Hindus narrated their woes to Indian authorities. They carried
> the
> > nightmare, experienced Immediately after they went to Delhi to get
> extension in
> > visa and permission to stay in Amritsar. All the families arrived in
> Amritsar on
> > Saturday after obtaining visa for one year.
> > >
> > > Jagdish Sharma resident of tribal area near Peshawar in Pakistan said,
> > “We were living in Pakistan under severe fear psychosis due to the
> domination
> > of strong group of Taliban people who are running parallel Government. In
> such
> > circumstances, Hindus and Sikh families were not safe, especially our
> female
> > members. We preferred to migrate in India, at least here in India we can
> breathe
> > out with peace and calm mind since our families are safe in India”.
> > >
> > > Adding further he said, “We strongly urge the Government of India to
> > allow us stay here in India permanently, since we don’t want to go back
> in the
> > hellish atmosphere where there is no life security”.
> > >
> > > Jagdish Sharma said, “All the 35 members of four Hindu families would
> > never prefer to return to Pakistan. Now we have intention to settle here
> > permanently and expect that Government of India would never disappoint
> the
> > Pakistan based Hindus who arrived here after being plundered in
> Pakistan”.
> > >
> > > Hardwari Lal resident of Orkzai nearly 180 kilometers from Peshawar
> said,
> > “I was running my grocery shop there which was forcibly took over by the
> > fundamentalist people who also took possession of our entire property.
> Even Sikh
> > Gurdwara (Sikh shrine) as well as Hindu Temples were not safe, since none
> of the
> > priest of respective religions dare to stay there for required necessary
> ritual
> > daily prayers. Pakistan Government has appointed local executive
> magistrates as
> > a care taker for religious shrines in the tribal area of Pakistan”.
> > >
> > > Hardwari said, “We strongly urge the Government of India to do the
> > needful for us so that we could settle down in India and could
> reestablish our
> > business here as there is no chance for us to go back to Pakistan”.
> > >
> > > Rekha a female migrant from Peshawar said, “ We have heaved sigh of
> > relief while reaching on Indian territory, since every morning we were
> observing
> > close encounter to death as life is highly unsecured. My parents were
> always
> > worried about me and my brothers due to domination of fundamentalist
> people.
> > Being a girl I Never went out of my house and remained confined with in
> the four
> > walls of our house. I never got privilege to obtain education, since
> girls were
> > not allowed to attend school in the tribal area of Pakistan”.
> > >
> > > Adding further Rekha said, “There was no life in the tribal area of
> > Pakistan, as there was no liberty for   women to move out, if gets chance
> only
> > in Burqa (clad) while covering face and body with black gown. In Pakistan
> > Taliban considers Hindu community very meek and feeble. Numerous Hindu
> families
> > still were languishing in the tribal area of Pakistan as unable to get
> visa for
> > India which they were facing acute hardship. Since for visa everybody has
> to
> > appear before the Indian High Commission and for women it is difficult to
> come
> > out from house to move out from the tribal area”, she quipped.
> > >
> > > http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/15562/40/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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