[Reader-list] Osip Mandelstam and Varun Gandhi: a clear contrast

Thu Mar 19 14:16:35 IST 2009

Dear Shivam

I totally agree with your comment """" What's wrong is that inflammatory, communal statemnets like these are punishable by law. Law Mr Durani? Indian Constitution? That same hing whose "full flow" you desire in J&K?"""""

Having gone through various excerpts and transcripts and pored over video coverage of Varun Gandhi's speeches, that piece of shit can never justify what he said, whatever be the context in which he said it. Such people are enemies of India because by word or action they undermine the integrity of India. They need to be dealt with firmly.

What has shocked me is that after all this Varun Gandhi cannot be stopped from fighting the election. At best, if he wins, his getting elected can be revoked after prosecution.

He must be prosecuted right away under other provisions of the Law (other than the Election Code of Conduct)

All of that too is not enough. My penalty for him would be to place him for 6 months to look after the footwear of worshipers at some Mosque and devotees at some Dargah (shrine). I would put him for another 6 months at an old age home for impoverished Muslims where he is asked to look after the most basic of their including feeding them, nursing them and helping them with their toiletries.

If the BJP has even a modicum of love for India (that they profess) they should not only withdraw the candidature of Varun Gandhi but kick him out of the Party.

Kshmendra

--- On Wed, 3/18/09, shivam at kafila.org <shivam at kafila.org> wrote:

From: shivam at kafila.org <shivam at kafila.org>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Osip Mandelstam and Varun Gandhi: a clear contrast
To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Cc: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 9:08 PM

You see nothing wrong, why trouble Hindus at all? Hindutva 101: Create a false bogey of Muslims troubling Hindus, Muslims multiplying etc., and in the name of defence mount your offence.

Tell me, if somebody in Kashmir was to say cut hands of Indians who trouble you, will Pawa Durani still say what's wrong with that? Why trouble Kashmiris at all? Will you still say the leader was just delivering it for his constituency.

And he said a lot more.

What's wrong is that inflammatory, communal statemnets like these are punishable by law. Law Mr Durani? Indian Constitution? That same hing whose "full flow" you desire in J&K?

shivam

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

Sir,

If I am not wrong what Varun allegedly said was that he would cut those
hands which trouble hindus.

As a leader of a party which everyone considers to be a right wing hindu
party , I see nothing wrong in what he has said. He is after all delivering
to his constituency .

And his message was to those who would trouble hindus ......so why trouble
hindus at all... ?

Regards

Pawan

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Dear Inder
>
> I am looking for the text of the complete speech made by Varun. Do you have
> any access to that?
>
> I have read snippets in the Press and heard beeped out sound bites on TV
> but that does not give me an idea of what exactly he said and in what
> context.
>
> Hope you can oblige.
>
> If Varun was stoking communal passions then not allowing him to contest the
> elections would be only a minor rap on his wrists. If guilty, he should
> suffer much much heavier penalties.
>
> Kshmendra
>
> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Osip Mandelstam and Varun Gandhi: a clear
> contrast
> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:11 PM
>
> Varun Gandhi, the grand son of Indira Gandhi,  is a BJP canditate for
> coming Lok Sabha ( parliamentary elections ), who was recorded on
> camera while giving lecture to people in Philbit, UP ( north India ).
> Both police and Election commission have issued notice to Mr. Varun
> Gandhi for his inflammatory communal speech, with the intention to
> gain votes for his party. Sad, if he is allowed to contest elections
> after this incident.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The name ‘The Pale of Settlement’ in Russia was given to a region in
> > which Jews were allowed, and beyond which Jewish settlement was
> > generally prohibited. Osip Mandelstam was born to such a Jewish family
> > in 1891, But this is why he got himself killed in 1938:
> >
> > Stalin Epigram
> > We live, but we do not feel the land beneath us,
> > Ten steps away and our words cannot be heard,
> > And when there are just enough people for half a dialogue,
> > Then they remember the Kremlin Highlander.
> > His fat fingers are slimy like slugs,
> > And his words are absolute, like grocers' weights.
> > His cockroach whiskers are laughing,
> > And his boot tops shine.
> > And around him the rabble of narrow-necked chiefs –
> > He plays with the services of half-men.
> > Who warble, or miaow, or moan.
> > He alone pushes and prods.
> > Decree after decree he hammers them out like horseshoes,
> > In the groin, in the forehead, in the brows, or in the eye.
> > When he has an execution it's a special treat,
> > And the Ossetian chest swells.
> >
> > Amazing, in his poem ‘ Black Sun’ which he wrote about Palestine
> > issue, I see his poems on  all the subject. Even in Translation his
> > words dance.
> >
> > Mandelstam's own prophecy was fulfilled: "Only in Russia is
> poetry
> > respected – it gets people killed. Is there anywhere else where poetry
> > is so common a motive for murder?"
> > Here, I remember, Abdul Sattar Ranjoor, the poet/activist in Kashmir
> > who was killed by extreme Right wing forces in 1990. Hazrat Sarmad,
> > the great poet saint too was killed by King Aurangzeb for similar
> > political reasons. Right now, 90 year old MF Husain, is facing death
> > threats from same Right winged politics. There is a strange history
> > behind great poets, particularly those who spoke against the
> > establishment.  The moment you defy the order, the powerful, the
> > ruler, the convention, the superstition, you give birth n enemy,
> > irrational but strangely potent. Meera was poisoned for defying the
> > Royal order and for her expression of Poet’s choice. Lal Ded too was
> > thrown out by her Orthodox-Brahmin in-laws for her poetic utterances
> > and wisdom of being. There must be no. of cases when wise  and
> > sensible people had to face the wrath of rulers.
> > Strange, that we had to listen to Varun Gandhi, whom I remember,
> > published his first book of poems few years ago. I guess, after
> > demolition of Babri Mosque, former PM Mr. Vajpayee jee too published
> > his book of poems. Some Artists added brush strokes to his verses and
> > exhibited at Lalit Kala Academy, even.
> > Strange that, this brand of poets dont write about their truer
> > intentions directly, as we see in how poets who get themselves killed
> > or exiled. So we have ambitious poets who can provoke people to kill
> > each other, and in turn get rewarded even.  Strange, we have musicians
> > and poets, these days, who are delighted to get rewarded by the same
> > state who sings songs for their erstwhile politicians as and when
> > election times are nearing. These days, on National TV, we often hear
> > Jai Ho, how Nehru ji brought industrial revolution, Jai Ho, how Indira
> > Ji brought Green Revolution, Jia ho, How Rajiv Ji brought IT
> > revolution, Jia Ho, So vote for Congress, and if you don’t like this
> > party, then vote Varun Gandhi, their own cousin, on the other side of
> > the fence.
> >
> > With love and regards
> > Inder salim
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://indersalim.livejournal.com
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://indersalim.livejournal.com
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